Solo travel as a therapist comes with unique challenges—and incredible rewards. From navigating time zones to finding the perfect work-from-anywhere setup, taking your therapy practice on the road solo requires flexibility, creativity, and courage. But it can also lead to the kind of freedom and fulfillment many therapists only dream about.
In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, I chat with Brenda Quinn, a licensed therapist and former flight attendant who has embraced solo travel as a therapist. Brenda shares how she created a mobile lifestyle that blends remote therapy sessions, in-person client work, and a love of exploring the world—on a budget. From building her home office to discovering unexpected income opportunities through travel perks, Brenda offers an honest and inspiring look at what it really takes to live and work on your own terms.
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[00:00:00] Kym: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Traveling Therapist Podcast. Excited to have our guest today. She just got back from a really cool trip. I want to hear about it. Her name is Brenda Quinn. Brenda, thanks for being here today. I can't wait to talk about your journey. Usually I always start out with the question, how'd you go from being a traditional therapist to a traveling therapist? So I'd love if you would tell us about yourself and how you got to where we are right now.
[00:00:25] Brenda: Yeah, that's a good question, I don't know that I've ever been traditional a day in my life, but, I've always traveled. even through grad school. It was important to me, you know, in between semesters and things Then I worked for the county doing crisis response for a while, and I found, I discovered the hack that I used to start traveling again with kids and things like that by working a lot of overtime and accruing Ridiculous amounts of comp time, so it wouldn't touch my vacations.
[00:00:55] what I would do is kind of. Extend my shifts at work and board hours. It was like. Scrooge McDuck, if you know that reference, with my PTO. And so I would end up taking like, 3 weeks off to go to Southeast Asia solo. And I'd still have my county time you know, my PTO and things like that.
[00:01:13] And it was a game. That's kind of where it started in terms of my clinical work and travel. And then as I started into private practice I was like, oh my gosh, the freedom, I can do whatever I want. so I started to make sure the places that I'd go would have wifi available.
[00:01:31] I would get it on my phone too, as a backup. And then I would let clients know like, Hey, I, travel and, I'm going to be gone this chunk of time I'm seeing clients. If you want to do virtual versus in person, we can bridge that. it's allowed me to do a lot of cool things. I've done sessions from Africa in the middle of the night. lots of stuff. Yeah.
[00:01:52] Kym: would love to just hear about the differences like Africa and Southeast Asia and like how you made it work and the time zones and all that stuff. But even before you became a therapist, you were a travel person. Like you loved it and you had a job that allowed you to do that too. Would you share about that at all?
[00:02:06] Brenda: yeah. You know, I think the itch happened in undergrad college. I studied in Mexico for a short time, just a summer. And that was like, oh, my gosh, I guess I can be self sufficient and, you know, learn a language and things like this. So that was sort of The initial scratch of the itch and then I guess after college, I, on a whim went to a flight attendant open house and got a job as a flight attendant.
[00:02:31] And the airline that I worked for was all international. And so, we'd be gone 20 days a month at a time we'd work our way out of the country and then we'd stay kind of hub to hub over Europe and the Middle East. So. That was sort of like, Oh, this can be extended. Uh,
[00:02:52] Kym: About flight attendance. It's like, okay, can you do the 20 days and then just stay somewhere if you want to and then hop back on? do you have to like get back to your home hub? I always wonder how that works .
[00:03:02] Brenda: way back then it had to be leave from your hub, but you could stay as long as you got yourself back in time for your next, you know. But
[00:03:10] yeah, I just loved that. I was like, oh my gosh, well, now I know how to live out of a suitcase for 20 days at a time and make that sustainable. I learned all the hacks for not spending money on food.
[00:03:22] And, you know, you load up on that free breakfast . I learned a lot of skills of how to like, Travel cheap. And yeah, I just rolled that. I teach my kids, have two girls and when they turned 10 respectively I took them on a trip and was like, we're not vacationing. We're traveling. It's different. And, you know, they had to schlep their stuff and we kind of backpacked it off, the beaten path and it was great.
[00:03:47] Kym: So what are some tips? I'd love to hear some just for people listening.
[00:03:50] Brenda: You know, 1 that I I get a lot of side glances about is I take my. Nastiest clothes that barely fit anymore, or, you know, they're beyond donation. And so I'll take those and then leave them behind because, they're headed for the garbage anyway.
[00:04:08] So I don't travel looking amazing, but my suitcase lightens and I fill it with stuff, you know, the treasures I buy along the way. And so that's, probably my biggest one is. Take the clothes. You wouldn't donate.
[00:04:19] Kym: That is fantastic then eat free buffet breakfast and hopefully it will last you all day until dinner or something
[00:04:26] Brenda: Yeah. Yeah. Never miss breakfast. And then, you know, street food, I never, almost never sit down and eat somewhere. It's just like finding, pad Thai for however many bots is Worth way more to me so I could eat on the go. I'm American, right?
[00:04:41] Kym: That's so funny. Okay. So, Southeast Asia for three weeks solo trip. Were you a therapist at that point or was that before you became a therapist? Were you like working while you did that trip?
[00:04:49] Brenda: Yeah. No, I was not working. . That was back in the time of the county hours when I had worked, you know, you earn like time and a half of overtime. And I ended up just really loading up my satchel with some hours that I could, you know, use at my discretion, but I don't use, travel agencies. I design all of it myself, all my logistics. One of my proudest things that time is I took a bus from Brunei to Malaysia. I have a knack for it happen. and cheaply, I don't like to spend money frivolously and, some people view travel as frivolous i, consider it air. it's my spiritual medicine.
[00:05:27] Kym: So we've had guests on here before that just do solo travel. They actually are just nomadically, living and they're also solo. And it just always amazes me because I'm like, I don't think I could do it. what was it like just by yourself? Was it scary? I just would love to hear like your experience with
[00:05:42] Brenda: know, I find it so freeing. I'm not opposed to traveling with people like I just got back from Peru with my niece who just turned 10. But. as a flight attendant, I was traveling in hordes of people and we could break off and do our own thing, but it was like, someone else is hungry.
[00:05:59] So now I got to stop what I'm doing. We got to leave the beach because someone else wants to, find a bathroom And so that first solo trips that I did that was extensive was just the most freeing I've ever felt. And of course it's layered with, you know, I have, kids and they were little at the time staying home with their dad So yeah, I just, find it very freeing.
[00:06:18] There's no compromise. I feel like in life, here at home, it's a lot of like, okay, the kids have whatever going on. We've got choir rehearsal or we have activities and doctor's appointments and school meetings and things like this that I just don't feel that autonomy so deeply. So when I get out, it's like, Oh, it's me time.
[00:06:38] And I really enjoy connecting with other travelers too. So, even in Peru, I was on a boat talking to an Asian couple that were living in Chicago, but also traveling extensively and a man from Brazil, and we're just all swapping, like, where have you been in Lima? What was the best thing, you know, swapping tips. And it's just, I find that everywhere I go.
[00:07:00] You know, when you're with your, buddy, you tend to just like, it's me and them and we don't branch out and you're not talking to people, but I've had some really great international connections with people that I've met. there was a guy from Senegal that I met on the street in Singapore and we just got to talking and had coffee. And you know, I have a friend that lives in Casablanca that I met in Bali. And so we're still connected with Instagram and things like, it's just a lot of fun.
[00:07:29] Kym: And it's cool to hear you say like, okay, I've got kids and a husband, but I'm still going to take time and go travel by myself because I need it. I want it and that your family is just super supportive of that too. Because I talk to people all the time. They're like, there's no way, My family's going to let me just go, let me go and just do whatever I want to do.
[00:07:47] You know, I mean, I hear that a lot, especially people that want to be traveling therapists. They're like, my husband won't travel. He doesn't want to, or he's got a job that keeps him here, that kind of thing. And it never occurs to them. I could just go by myself, I do that all the time.
[00:08:00] Like I'll leave my boyfriend. you know, we live in airbnbs, but we'll be in some random city and I'll be like, yeah I'm actually going to greece with my mom. Like I did that in october and he's like, okay. Well, i'm just gonna chill here, and it's totally fine, but a lot of people don't, even consider that as an option because they're really stuck in that, traditional, I have to travel with my husband and my kids when I go on a vacation, or I like how you said there's a difference in vacation and traveling, too, but, yeah. hmm.
[00:08:25] Brenda: I don't do a lot of laying by pools or all inclusives or anything like, I mean, I'm out. I'm catching buses and sleeping on trains and you know, onto the next thing.
[00:08:34] Kym: So, your clients are totally aware that you travel, you still have that kind of open conversation with them when you start working with them.
[00:08:42] Brenda: yeah. I'll tell them, you know, I'll go for chunks of time. And, I really don't view therapy, and this isn't, there's nothing wrong with those who do, but I don't view it as like every week all the time for everyone, because I, don't think that's best practice for every case. And so, you know, I've recently taken on a lot of couples because.
[00:09:02] I have a unique approach with couples where we might be really intensive on the front end and then I'm like, okay, go do your things in the wild and come back and we'll check in. But they're doing their thing in the wild for three weeks while I'm gone, you know, so that works out.
[00:09:17] When I go to Brazil this coming May, I'm working on that itinerary, but I'm blocking, a full day every week to just do a lineup of sessions and then the rest will be me time move around.
[00:09:29] Kym: That's perfect. do you sort of assess who has the higher acuity or who's like, yeah, they definitely are going to need at least one session while I'm gone for a month or whatever. Do you just kind of do an assessment and then decide, all right, we'll put you guys on the schedule.
[00:09:43] Brenda: you know, I, I leave a lot to them. I wouldn't say that the folks that I have on my caseload are high acuity. I've done years of hospital work and very intensive acuity. I don't tend to draw that group. I get a lot of artsy, nontraditional folks that you know, they're not in any kind of, high risk, they're just processing and kind of managing stress and,
[00:10:06] You know, like I said, with couples, I don't envision that to be super long term work. One of my first pieces is like both of you need individual therapy. Let's find that not everybody, but often, you know, I'll try and connect them. And then we just work on the relationship pieces
[00:10:20] for the individuals though, they may opt to keep checking in online or not. It depends. I have some that are like staunchly in person people, which is fine.
[00:10:30] So you do have an in person office and a telehealth office ?
[00:10:33] And my office is actually I run it. out of my house,
[00:10:35] Kym: Really? I'd love to hear about that. Cause that is always fascinated me.
[00:10:40] Brenda: Yes. I'm kind of living the dream there. My commute is amazing. I am in network with all major insurance too. I've always, I've disclosed every time it's a home office. I have a private entry.
[00:10:52] So nobody's walking through my living room and like fist bumping my kids on their way to sessions. They just come in their own door . And so, yeah, I see them here. I don't, see anybody that's, in any kind of active psychosis or substance, you know, where it's really risky for them to know where I live.
[00:11:09] I work . From a place of authenticity, like, hey, this is my space and I tell them, up front it's a home office. So if you want something commercial, I'm not your girl. But I've had the feedback from so many people that are like, this is way more cozy. I love this. I actually was drawn to this because it's in a house and not a, center.
[00:11:29] So, It works for me. I love it. I've never had any like boundary infringements issues there, so yeah. they people don't do anything traditional.
[00:11:39] Kym: Yeah, right. It doesn't sound like it because you know, therapists ask me all the time, like, Oh my gosh, if I'm telehealth only and I'm with insurances, I'm going to have to put my home address and then it's going to be on the directory and people are going to know.
[00:11:51] And I'm like, yeah, I mean, I don't know. Our client's going to. confine you I don't know, I think one time in my entire telehealth career a person actually showed up to my like p. o box office, and they were like this doesn't look like an office. I'm like, no, this is a telehealth appointment, but it only happened one time
[00:12:07] So, I don't know. I just I always wondered about that if people were like, it's totally fine I don't care or if they had bad experiences with it. that's really interesting to hear You don't hear it very often
[00:12:17] Brenda: Yeah. I get a lot of, I mean, especially from coworkers at the hospital when I was working there, I worked there for several years doing emergency. Department assessment and so, those are people you don't want coming to your house,
[00:12:28] but, you know, all my coworkers are like, are you crazy? That's dangerous. What are you doing? And I'm like, it's a different crowd. I work with a lot of like, happy hippies, you know, processing stress.
[00:12:40] Kym: That's funny. And I guess your husband and kids. They're like, whatever, like they don't even think twice about it.
[00:12:46] Brenda: Well, the husband fell off oh, he did. Okay. I don't have, yeah, we chose peace. that was amicable. We get along. Okay.
[00:12:54] my kids, they know to be quiet when they're upstairs. Cause you know, it's in my basement space, which is finished. so they know like no loud TV and usually, you know, when the kids are with their dad, I will load my schedule.
[00:13:07] That's when I do my most work too. So session times are pretty loaded when they're in school or when they're, you know, on the days they're with their dad. Though, that's, it still happens, I'll be in session and you'll hear a backpack drop
[00:13:20] You'll hear the dog tapping, you know, but I think, there's a humanness to that too, right?
[00:13:25] Kym: I worked at an office with really thin walls, it was like we had the sound machines going, but I mean, you definitely would hear like, occasionally a couple might start up next door yelling or something, you know, or there might be doors slamming. I mean, it's just part of it. Yeah. Totally get that.
[00:13:40] you're going to be going to Brazil and you've got this worked out where one day a week you're going to see clients still what's the time zone like in Brazil as to where you are? I'm just curious about how you're gonna manage all that.
[00:13:51] Brenda: Yeah, I actually haven't looked. my sense is it's probably a couple hours. In Peru, it was just Eastern time.
[00:13:58] Brazil's a little bit more east. So it'll be a, probably a couple hours. I'm not too worried about that. I have done sessions from Africa before, which was like an overnight deal.
[00:14:10] Just in you know, internet connection. The country I was in actually didn't have 5G. At all. So, I had to cancel a couple, which was disappointing because I couldn't get internet, but I was able to do, I think, four in a row. And then maybe four fell off.
[00:14:28] I had done the same in the Dominican Republic. I had done like a little solo. Deal and I, I'd had it more spaced out. you know, the only issue there is I was at this, like, resort because it was way off the beaten path. No, 1 spoke English. There wasn't even a store, but that's what I wanted was just like, solitude recalibrate.
[00:14:48] I had some credits going that I was listening to while I was looking at the ocean. And so, you know, it was like the quietest resort. Ever. I think I might have been the only person for a couple of
[00:14:59] Oh, and then all of a sudden I had telehealth sessions. And that's when, like, the town came and used the pool and they were blaring. And I was like, Oh, no, I can't quiet this.
[00:15:10] My clients didn't seem to care. They thought it was funny. But I was like, okay, so that's another thing to remember for next time.
[00:15:18] Kym: when is the pool day? What is the live band come outside of my door? Yeah,
[00:15:22] Brenda: really was outside the window and the window was just slats. It was, it was open air. So that was a trip.
[00:15:28] Kym: that's funny. A little tip for anybody listening. There's this app called the crisp app. I don't know if you've ever heard of it, it's HIPAA compliant. It's like a, you download it and put it on your computer and it blocks all background noise. I was living in. condo in Hollywood, Florida, and they were doing construction in the building.
[00:15:46] they were like jack hammering like two floors above us. And people could not hear it with this crisp app on just a little side note. I could hear it because I would be like, I can barely hear what you're saying over this noise, but they couldn't hear it. So it's K R I S P just side note. so brazil and in africa you went there that worked, but it had some problems. Okay.
[00:16:06] Brenda: The Dominican Republic, I've got Brazil coming up, but I anticipate that'll be smooth. you know, I've always been a mover and a shaker. I'm always like bouncing, you know, I've been here four days, time to fly, time to catch the train, time to, you know, but I think in Brazil, I'm going to try and chill out it's a 3 week deal. So I'm going to try and slow down.
[00:16:26] Kym: cool. So three weeks and like three days of clients essentially once a week kind of
[00:16:31] Brenda: Yeah. I mean, I might if more are interested, I might open it up and do, Six days of clients, but I try to load my schedule that I have very full days a couple of days a week. So it's not every day. I'm really working on balance and pacing myself and taking as many clients as feels right. I don't work for an agency. I don't have to hit a quota. So, the freedom in that is a lot of privilege too,
[00:16:55] Kym: that's amazing. So this will be a solo trip too? The one to Brazil?
[00:16:59] Brenda: yep. I'm looking forward to that. I don't have Australia and New Zealand figured out yet, I've bought the ticket, but I haven't started the skeleton of the trip, you mm hmm. Mm probably go back to Bali, cause It's a wonderful place.
[00:17:13] Kym: Oh my gosh, I would love to go to Bali. So, what's your plan for planning this stuff? You say that you're really good at that. Like, scheduling their, the itineraries and figuring all that stuff out. Do you have like certain apps you go to or like a process? Because I know that's a stumbling block for a lot of people too. Is, the logistics, you know, like how do I figure it all out? It seems overwhelming..
[00:17:33] Brenda: A whole lot of Google. I actually started looking at ChatGPT little bit, but I don't know that it won't take over my process. It's pretty old school. I'll print a blank calendar and then I write in it, like, my flight confirmations and the times and the cities, to block the trip.
[00:17:51] And then I'll, just look at it, like, I fly into Sao Paulo, what's in Sao Paulo? do a Google, I'll read tours that are available. A lot of it's just stealing from tours that yeah. already. Here's the sites. Here's the things. What's interesting to me. I can find it cheaper.
[00:18:08] You know, you go direct to the agencies versus Tip advisor, I love them, but also like, okay, who's running this tour? Then I find those people and then I look at the pricing options from there and also transportation. I'll look at like, how do people get from Sao Paulo to Rio?
[00:18:26] Well, you can fly, you can bus. Here's what the buses are like. And then, I might in advance by the ticket, I might just show up. I'm pretty good. I mean, I've done crisis work for years and years. So like, I'm pretty good at just roll in with the hiccups. And that's the other piece about being solo is I don't have to manage anyone else's anxiety about the missed flight or, Oh my God, what are we going to do now, like, We're going to find some lunch and we're going to figure it out.
[00:18:54] I really enjoy that part because not everyone has. That outlook or that lens, they need to have very concrete. Here's the plan. And if the plan breaks, which it always will how do you roll with that? And pretty good at that too. So,
[00:19:09] Kym: resiliency and just being able to say, okay, well, we got this. That's really cool.
[00:19:14] Brenda: there was a trip I did. I did two Southeast Asia's one of them. I did a six country. you know, a variety of one way tickets and I was supposed to take a boat from Cambodia to Vietnam.
[00:19:27] it might've been Malaysia. I'm not sure. I don't remember. I was supposed to take a boat and kind of cruise up.
[00:19:32] And anyway, I get to the airport and I don't have a visa. I don't know why it slipped my mind completely that I'd need a visa to get into Vietnam. And so they said, no, you can't get on the plane. I'm like, but I paid for the ticket. They're like, sorry, no visa. And so I'm scrambling online to do it on, you know, online, but then it's like 4 times the price.
[00:19:52] So I was like, okay. Vietnam's not happening. I'll figure it out and reconnect with my, you know, I'll get to Cambodia, which is where I was headed. I think, I don't know, Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia. That was the plan. So I'll just get there and connect Cambodia and on. that was 1 of my bucket list items actually, is to just show up at an airport and then choose a flight location.
[00:20:13] so I did, I was like, okay, Vietnam's out. Let's go to AirAsia, their desk and figure out what I can do. And it was like, Bali or Singapore, which 1 and I chose Bali.
[00:20:23] They're like, okay, your flight leaves in an hour. I run to the gate and just by some miracle, there's a computer out for public use in the airport.
[00:20:32] And so I'm online, like clicking away and like just before boarding, like jot down my confirmation for my accommodations. I was like, okay, and we're off. We have a place.
[00:20:44] And then after I got to Cambodia, beautiful, love Phnom Penh. Actually, I would go back. And then the same thing happened.
[00:20:51] It was like I was going to go to Myanmar. But I needed another visa. I don't know how this slipped my mind, but I'm like, shoot, I don't have a visa. Okay, get me to Bangkok. I took a train overnight. So that covered my lodging for the night. And then I showed up and was like, Jungle Trek tour. Yeah, I'm in.
[00:21:10] So I was like trekking a jungle instead of Myanmar. Totally off the grid. It was great. It was one of my favorite adventures. I mean, it was like, so much went wrong, but then also so right.
[00:21:22] Kym: Yeah. Oh, that is amazing. Situations like that, would you ever like buy trip insurance and try to like get those flights back because you miss them or anything like that? Or is it just like, well, I missed them because I didn't have a visa. I'm not even going to try. I'm not even going to worry about it. Who cares? I'll just go on this and do this instead. Was it that kind of thing?
[00:21:39] Brenda: the Asia one, I just let go. And fortunately, I mean, those flights, Southeast Asia is so close to everything else that they're not that expensive.
[00:21:51] so it was a bummer, but, you know, I did have a significantly challenging trip for Africa. It was Africa, Turkey. And I had, I think, nine flights total, and I missed six of them.
[00:22:05] There were connections missed, delays, every flight was being canceled. It was like, traveling purgatory, if not hell. but I rolled with it. It was like, okay. I went to Ismir, rented a car and just road tripped all the way to Cappadocia, which was actually way longer than I expected.
[00:22:22] I was driving so much. And then when I was leaving the Cappadocia area, The flight was just cancelled and I'm like, of course it was. This whole trip has been difficult. But then I ended up just meeting some people, a couple from Spain, and I hopped in a car they rented and we drove up to Istanbul.
[00:22:39] It was like a 10 hour drive. they kept saying they're like it's seven hour drive and then we rent the car and get in and they're like, oh, it's 10 they were great.
[00:22:47] Kym: That's so cool so adventurous and so brave.
[00:22:50] Brenda: Yeah, it's gotten me a lot of places. It's, been really fun. I definitely value that autonomy, I guess, is a big part of it and just, you have all the comforts in the world in your home, I would say perceivably, right? you know what that looks like, and to step out of that, it strengthens a muscle.
[00:23:09] You know, of self sufficiency and I mean, like in Minneapolis here, it's so cold. Nobody goes out at night. When we're home, we're home. It's done. We're done. bet. it was last I checked. It's like negative two
[00:23:21] I think this culture here is like, while we're very artsy and we're very, you know, pretty liberal and open and all of these things, there's still a very Like, okay, it's after five and I just got home. I'm not leaving again. You don't see people in Minneapolis at night unless it's summer. Then we're all out and we're all happy.
[00:23:41] Kym: I bet. It's like we're going to soak every minute of this up while it's still warm. Oh my gosh. I totally get that. Wow. What a cool story. Thank you so much. So if anybody wanted to reach out to you, I know that you have a practice and you know, you're probably just licensed in your state. Do you want to talk about your practice or put that out there in case anybody's listening and they want to reach out to
[00:24:02] Brenda: yeah, Sure. my practice is called quintessential therapies. And I work a lot within the queer communities and with polyamory, but I have some monogamous folks too, of course but basically anybody that's wanting to live in a nontraditional way. Try to coach them through, like, how can you make that happen?
[00:24:25] What are the things that you, limit yourself with? Or even societally, there's limitations. And how can you be the best you? Because that's what I think our job is in life. And so, a lot of my work is with kind of a gamut, I guess the common denominators are all pretty like artsy and open.
[00:24:44] So, yeah, it's fun. I really enjoy it though. You know, it's a contrast to the hospital work that I've done where people are not happy to be there. They, maybe just made a suicide attempt. That was pretty significant. And now I'm talking to them, you know, the work that I do in my practice is like people who want to get better and are working on.
[00:25:05] how do I find the path to doing that and, just sort of dialoguing about that and finding what fits for them, because there's just no one size fits all. It's just not a thing.
[00:25:16] Kym: Totally. And what a better role model. Somebody that can just go to Southeast Asia and make it work That's pretty cool. Well, thank you so much for taking the time today to talk to us and share your adventures. And it's really inspirational too. I think anytime we get a solo traveler, that's just like goes with the flow. I think it's so important for people to hear that message really.
[00:25:35] Brenda: Yeah. It's definitely a skill, you yeah, it really you can practice at.
[00:25:40] Kym: really is. I mean, and it's something you touched on is like, will happen if you're traveling. I mean, it's not going to go smoothly. It's just part of it. Yeah.
[00:25:49] Brenda: when I took my daughter we had this running joke. My oldest daughter, we went to Columbia, her and I, and I would say, you know, lesson number one, lesson number two. And throughout the whole trip, I don't know. We, we joked, cause we lost count, you know, I'd be like lesson number 35.
[00:26:04] But the very first one in the airport was. Shit never goes right. Plan for that. And, you know, she just kind of laughed and she rolled with it. I was really proud of that. but yeah, it's how do you manage your outlook when it doesn't go right and still roll with it? Because I'd say 80 percent is like, if you fall apart and crumble, cause you're stressed, you're not going to get the results you want. You're not going to have, the good time, but you could also have a good time trekking the jungle Northern Thailand instead of Myanmar, like all so good. So,
[00:26:38] Kym: Thank you so much. Thanks for taking the time today. I really appreciate it.