Somatic experiencing has been a game changer for so many therapists looking to step outside traditional models—and Taune Lyons is one of them. In this episode, we explore how somatic work helped her redefine what it means to support others while honoring her own nervous system and lifestyle.
Taune shares how discovering somatic experiencing led her to leave behind the expectations of conventional therapy and step into a more grounded, embodied way of helping others. If you’re curious about alternative healing modalities or wondering what’s next in your evolution as a therapist, this conversation will inspire you to explore what’s possible.
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Transcript:
[00:00:00] Kym: Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Traveling Therapist podcast. Really excited to have our guest today. She has a super interesting story and she's doing so many cool things. Tawny Lyons is here with us today,
[00:00:11] Tawny, I would love if you would tell everybody, hi. You went from being just a traditional therapist to a traveling therapist.
[00:00:18] Taune: Yeah. I guess I became interested in it because it didn't even seem like a possibility necessarily before the pandemic.
[00:00:25] But then I was still in practicum in grad school when that happened. Actually the last semester of grad school, when everything shut down, I was living in San Francisco. So it was quite extreme and for good reason. But very immediately, so then I became virtual just from there, I never actually went back to in person.
[00:00:40] And of course I could only work with people in the state of California, but that meant the entirety of California.
[00:00:45] So that opened the door to me when I was in the Bay to work with people, obviously from all over that otherwise couldn't be there. I was getting my somatic experiencing practitioner certification and you can work with anyone from the world. I started to get really curious about if I could be somewhere different too. I. Because I love different cultures and experiencing different places, and the Bay started to feel the bay was really the only place that felt like home to me for a big chunk of my life. And then it started to feel different.
[00:01:13] So then I got curious about where else is there, where else is community happening and what does it look like and feel like?
[00:01:18] Kym: That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. the certification, that's not licensed dependent, is that a separate I'd love to hear about that because I think people in this community are super interested in things that aren't licensed dependent, you yes. gotta see your clients just in California most of the time. So I'd love to hear about that.
[00:01:36] Taune: Yeah, it's really interesting. I'm so grateful. I had a few mentors that were ss, which is what it's called but somatic experiencing is the bottom up form of trauma. It's not called therapy, but trauma resolution. And basically it has to do with connecting with your nervous system and listening to the, the, to the story of your nervous system.
[00:01:57] And it was created by Peter Levine, who was not a therapist. He's a scientist. Now there's a ton of different therapists who do it, but it's a three year training and you can do it all over the world. Usually it's in big cities, but it's in the United States, but it's also everywhere. And the last training I just did was in Chicago where I finished, but before that, the trainings were in Canada all over.
[00:02:19] So it was a really great opportunity to get to learn from people, not talk therapy, but somatic therapy and specifically trauma informed or trauma trained, which I felt was really important for me. And you can be anywhere in the world. I've worked with Somatic as a client and as a, as a practitioner all over.
[00:02:41] Which is so awesome because there's just a different flavor from different places sometimes too, and I know sometimes you talk about burnout or different streams of income you know, for therapists. And this has been so incredible for my own healing and also as a therapist, to be able to do something other than talk, especially when there's, you know, like stuckness, rigidity, rumination, developmental trauma to go to sensation or imagery or behavior in the body movement and begin to connect there and heal there.
[00:03:16] Kym: I love that so much because yeah. I mean, early years of my own private practice, it was like you know, I need some other modality. 'cause this talk therapy, it was so frustrating 'cause it's like, yeah. get past that part. 'cause it's obvious that just talking is not fixing this right? in here, you yeah. on and got, you know, EMDR certified and all that
[00:03:35] Yes. the somatic stuff. I always think it's so awesome. I love it. Like, I don't know, I follow these Instagrammers that do somatic exercise. I'm like, that is, oh, I'm gonna shake, you know,
[00:03:44] Taune: Yeah. Yes. Well, EMDR too. Right? So powerful. My therapist does brain spotting, which I think is an offshoot of that. And yeah, it's just incredible the, for people that it resonates with, right? It's just, it can, it's a transformation that's totally different in my experience, than just having the cognitive insight.
[00:04:02] Kym: Yeah, so to do the SEP, I think you said it was you don't have to be licensed already to get that certification and
[00:04:09] Taune: You do not because it's also open for physicians or people who are artists, dancers to help because trauma comes up in so many different ways for so many different modalities that you don't have to be a licensed therapist. I'd also looked into sensory motor training, and you do have to be licensed for that, But yeah, it's pretty incredible and it's, I felt like it was a pretty good training. Yeah.
[00:04:30] Kym: didn't even, I didn't even realize that existed, so that's really neat. Hmm. I'll interview just coaches, you know, that are therapists at all, you yeah. modalities like that, so that's neat to mm-hmm. can do it too and incorporate it into their, their work already.
[00:04:42] Taune: Yeah, I think it's really neat. I feel like it really adds an extra, probably like EMDR did really necessary education. Embodied education.
[00:04:51] Kym: So how do you incorporate that into like the work that you're doing or the clients that you're sort of attracting into your practice that you're working with? Is it, do you primarily advertise that modality or is it just like, this is one of the things in my toolbox, I. S yeah. you're international, like reaching out internationally to get clients and that sort of thing. I just,
[00:05:09] Yes. struggle with that. Like, how do I mm-hmm. without just having to be in California and that sort of thing. So I'm just curious about that. It's so interesting to me.
[00:05:18] Taune: Yeah. Like how to market.
[00:05:20] Kym: yeah. How do you market to the international world with this thing that isn't licensed dependent while maybe still having to be licensed dependent
[00:05:28] Taune: California. Yeah. So I just became an SEP in January that I, yeah, I took the longer road, which was nice, you know, and uh, it gave me more time to integrate, And I actually think you don't have to be fully a practitioner yet to be on their website.
[00:05:46] But I waited 'cause I thought you did. So another really cool tidbit there. And so I'm on the somatic experiencing website now, which I believe is healing trauma.org, and people reach out from there and you're just on the website and sometimes you even meet colleagues that then can refer you as well, which is really wonderful from different industries like doctors or PTs.
[00:06:08] Physical therapists, those kinds of things too, which is cool. And then on Instagram I post as well, like little embodiment snippets or on substack, and sometimes people reach out from there.
[00:06:18] Kym: Oh, that's so neat. I like to talk about this stuff because it helps therapists break outside of that box of like, okay, I've gotta, gotta just do my therapy modality.
[00:06:26] I've gotta just see clients in California, you know, some states don't even let them travel outside of their state, yeah. in other states or country. So, I, I like to mm-hmm. these outside of the box kind of things. It's really neat. Yeah.
[00:06:38] Taune: I think it's really neat too because there's so many ways to be a therapist and so many ways to be a human, and when we get to have those two intersect, it feels more empowering or liberating, I guess, to me, than just being stuck in that box of having to be in an office and or having to, like in San Francisco when I worked there, it's, you know, you drive for an hour, an hour and a half, and then you have to move your car every two hours, and that impacts mental health and nervous system capacity. Yeah, It is.
[00:07:05] Kym: so what are you doing now? Like What's your traveling life look like?
[00:07:09] Taune: You making it work? 'cause I
[00:07:10] yeah. Totally. Well, so, all my stuff is in storage in the East Bay of San Francisco.
[00:07:18] Kym: You're like us. We've got everything in storage in Fort Lauderdale. We're like, will we ever even be back in Fort Lauderdale? Who knows.
[00:07:24] Taune: I know it's hard to figure it out. But for now, that's where it is. But I've only been doing this since July of last year. I, I left my lease and I loved my home there, but I was ready to kind of fly the coop and see what's up. And from there I spent a lot of time in Canada. I was actually finishing up my somatic experiencing in Vancouver and in Ottawa.
[00:07:46] So I was on the west coast and the east coast of Canada. Just exploring and primarily Airbnbs. And also trusted house sitters. I found out from a friend of a friend, which was really cool because I was on Vancouver Island for a month or two, which was, oh my gosh, I would totally live there. I think it's.
[00:08:05] It's so amazing. yes, do it. It's, it's really beautiful. Like the sunsets, I know you've been to Arizona are like the Arizona, like fiery pink sky, but then there's the ocean
[00:08:17] and it's a calm ocean where you can paddleboard and yeah, it's really gorgeous. And so I was there and I did, you know, tours in todo, which is the upper north tip of Vancouver Island.
[00:08:28] That was really lovely to get to learn about the, the Tolo people and where Tofino is and just the really gorgeous islands off of there. And I did some kayaking and hiking. And then it's been really nice because I've actually had both of my parents come to visit me in different places. My mom came to Montreal, my dad came to Vancouver, and that's been really special.
[00:08:47] 'cause I haven't looked at home I think since I was, or in the near them since I was maybe 17, or maybe 19. 'cause I came back for a minute, but so that's been really just incredible to get to kind of nurture and get to know each other at these ages. And then from there I was in the States for a little bit in the southwest in Utah and actually went all the way down in a road trip from Canada to Arizona, and then I was in Japan for a bit absolutely loved Japan.
[00:09:18] Kym: That is awesome.
[00:09:19] Taune: that was super awesome. I honestly am thinking about maybe potentially moving to Tokyo, but we'll see. Don't know yet. But just the juxtaposition there of the really busy city of Tokyo or even parts of Kyoto, and then the temples and the shrines and the calmness. It felt so amazing for my nervous system and just the people there too. Mm-hmm.
[00:09:43] Kym: so many people talk about Japan like that. It just sounds magical over there.
[00:09:47] Taune: It. feels like magic to me. I know it's not for everyone, just like no worries is for everyone, but. Yeah. A really healing place. And, and now tomorrow I'm off to Europe. I have kind of a one-way ticket just to see what it's like for a few months. I'm, I'm second generation on my dad's side. His family was from the uk and I've not been to, I've the UK or Europe. So I'd like to do some kind of checking in on my ancestry experience there.
[00:10:13] Kym: So do you do all the solo travel or do you go with people?
[00:10:16] Taune: I do it solo and then sometimes extremely solo. I was actually up in the Sunshine Coast, not of Australia, of Canada for two months by myself. It was very remote on the water and that was so amazing. But then it really came to me. I don't know if you've heard this quote that's like, have you really hear healed all your triggers? Are you just isolating.
[00:10:37] Kym: Yes.
[00:10:38] Taune: And as a therapist who focuses a lot on intimacy and sexuality and just a human who focuses on that, I was like, this is a little too comfortable for me.
[00:10:46] Kym: interesting. Yes.
[00:10:49] Taune: But it was okay at the time because I had left and a relationship had ended that had been eight years. That was pretty tumultuous. So I really wanted to take a year, and it's been a year as of April 11th to really. Be with myself. So that was a really big blessing to have that time.
[00:11:04] But now I feel, other than friends who've come to visit me on the road, or my parents, my siblings, my sister, my younger sister came with me to Japan. It's been solo and I love community and family more than anything. I feel like that's what life is about, is connection. So when I'm in Europe, I'm doing a lot of meeting up with people. I'm staying at this place called opia. Have you heard of it?
[00:11:26] Kym: I think I have, can you
[00:11:27] Taune: Yeah, probably. Yeah. So I found out about this from a friend actually that I met in Somatic experiencing training who does transformational healing retreats and festivals for people with somatics for writing specifically.
[00:11:41] Her name is Janelle Hardy, and she's been in Burgundy at this castle that's called opia for a few months out of the year. basically it's re-imagining from my understanding of it, it's re-imagining community and collective care from people all over the world that come there to set up events and connect with people who are trying to change the world in a positive way.
[00:12:02] So I'm really excited to be there and then. I know it's really cool. I'm really stoked on that. And then after that I'll be heading to Portugal to try out different co-living or just like meeting people. There's so many Facebook groups, like your face book group is amazing.
[00:12:18] And then there's one like female travelers, female solo travelers in Portugal and in all these different places to really meet community. So this next portion of this is definitely not that it wasn't about community before, because I think in our community is really important too. But just kind of fleshing out, you know, I think conflict is really important and conflict resolution and not just on the phone, which did happen by the way when I was by myself, but just in person.
[00:12:44] Like really feeling the energetics of what happens in my nervous system. You know, cohabitating with people again.
[00:12:50] Kym: that you're paying attention to that. just even, you know, being a nomad that moves all the time, you know, you get in certain places and it's just disruptive, like nothing works. Right. Or the internet's not working or like, yeah, discombobulating definitely. yeah. noticing like Japan and then the coast up in Canada mm-hmm. much calmer you felt like, I just think that's important to pay attention
[00:13:11] Taune: Yes, a hundred percent. I do too. I was worried a little bit going into this, honestly, because it's so important to me where my nervous system at, especially as a therapist, I feel like it's the most important tool that I have. And so I try to craft my environment in a way that feels really supportive for me. Yeah. No matter where I am. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:13:32] Kym: to, but it never seems to work out. I'm always like, why am I in this chaos? I dunno what's happening. You know? That's something, it doesn't, a pattern I should be looking at. But yeah, I don't know. It's like you get a couple good Airbnbs and then it's like just a couple crazy ones back to back.
[00:13:45] It seems like for us anyway, even doing due diligence, it's like, okay, we, we didn't realize this place doesn't even have a kitchen. Like, how did we not notice this? You know,
[00:13:54] Taune: Right. But sometimes that does happen. Yep.
[00:13:57] Kym: you know, wait, there's no washer or dryer, like that kind of stuff, you know,
[00:14:01] Taune: Mm-hmm.
[00:14:01] Kym: could be a little bit much sometimes,
[00:14:03] Taune: Totally. And it can help us, keep us, I guess, agile or like flexible in our nervous systems, but then sometimes if there's not support in other areas, it can just feel like absolute chaos.
[00:14:14] I totally get it. Yeah. Yeah,
[00:14:16] Kym: of leads me into some other things, you yeah. of that is like having like lots of income streams and lots of yeah. and that sort of thing. And I would love if you would tell us about the other stuff you're doing. 'cause I think yeah. Yeah.
[00:14:29] Taune: Yeah, absolutely. So, I guess one of the things that I've been doing for a couple years now is I teach classes online through different apps which I don't think I mentioned to you, but that's something that is really fun 'cause I get to be with groups specifically on attachment theory and through, my friend John Kim who goes by the angry therapist. And his wife, Vanessa Bennett is also super amazing. And she has classes that I'm gonna be teaching too. So things like that are really wonderful, like when people have apps and you can reach out and teach classes or they reach out to you.
[00:14:59] And then I've also been teaching classes recently at the, what is it called? It's at counseling centers. Like one of the counseling centers that I worked at before I was pre-licensed. They have trainers come in, therapists come in. And so that's been really fun too. Another thing that I've been thinking about is supervision if people are already licensed for a couple years just for something different.
[00:15:19] And then I'm also writing a book right now, which I'm excited about. And I should have the book proposal done within the next couple of weeks. And from what I've heard, that can be a really wonderful income stream and also just a great creative stream and self connection stream. Um,
[00:15:34] Kym: It's just a really good authority builder too, you yeah. having it out there on your website, like, look at this book I wrote, and yes. that's amazing. Yeah. what the book's about, or is it still top secret kind of?
[00:15:48] Taune: Yeah, it's not, it's not necessarily top secret. I mean, I do like to keep some of it close to my chest but it is about intimacy and interdependence and boundaries. I. Specifically being a huge part of interdependence and feeling more liberation and freedom which I feel like is a, is a little bit of a different lens than a lot of the boundaries conversations that I've seen so far. It's more like, boundaries are a bridge to deeper intimacy and not a way to stay isolated or hyper independent.
[00:16:17] Kym: I love that.
[00:16:18] Taune: Yeah. It's exciting 'cause I get to take somatics and attachment theory and kind of inter weave it in there. So I'm like really excited about that.
[00:16:27] I've always loved writing. It's what I studied when I was younger and undergrad and as a little when I thought I was gonna be a screenwriter. So I feel like it's, the creative arts are really important to me.
[00:16:37] Kym: Amazing. Yeah, every person I have on here has just got so many different facets to them, and I just love every, mm-hmm. the things, you know, yes. inside of us. So I think that's really amazing.
[00:16:49] Taune: yeah. And it feels like such a huge part of being alive, like getting to tap into that, the multiplicity and everything. And then the one, last thing that I'm so excited about, it feels like my baby other than my book right now is it's called Flow State App. and it is a way to track your menstrual cycle but not just track your menstrual cycle, but to attune to your cycles of each phase
[00:17:11] through movement. And mindfulness and emotional check-ins, including journaling emotional expression through creativity. And it's still in development right now. We're looking for beta app testers, but it's rooted in truly everything that I wish that I had when I was younger because I'm neurodivergent.
[00:17:28] And when you are neurodivergent, it's not just for neuro divergent folks who menstruate, but when you are your PMS or PMDD is way more extreme.
[00:17:37] Like there's a high amount of suicidality depression, anxiety, and just a lot of disruption in life. And with certain things that are oftentimes research backed, we can help support more not just emotional fluency, but more connection with self and able to really know what's happening instead of feeling like your body's an enemy.
[00:17:57] Kym: Yes. Oh my gosh. That's such a great idea. I mean, this might be TMI for this podcast, but there's definitely times where, you know, I'll like start my period. I'm like, oh, that's why I was crazy.
[00:18:08] Taune: Exactly. Exactly.
[00:18:10] Kym: so pissed off about everything. You yes, know, and, and you know this, and you would think that you would be in tune with it, but it's like, I just forget. like, I hate everybody for like three days. You know?
[00:18:19] Taune: totally. And that's so normal. And, you know, we're so severed most of us, I feel like from, what's happening in our bodies, and it reminds me of what we were talking about earlier, like the rumination or the talk therapy. When we're able to move from there, from the mind, from cognition only, which is wonderful, but to our hearts, to our, to our wombs, to our nervous systems, it, it really shifts things.
[00:18:43] Kym: just making me think like as a therapist, what if you were able to like. Be connected to your client's apps to know, like if they come in and they're just like, oh, I hate mm. let's look at your flow cycle app and see like, where are
[00:18:54] Taune: Yes. Ugh. I love that. around yeah, totally. Oh my God, I love that. Thanks for that tip. Yeah.
[00:19:02] Kym: You might even like make it shareable to the therapist or whatever. Yeah. HIPAA compliant,
[00:19:07] Taune: Right. Well, we will have a partner mode or a friend mode so they can, you know, I think that can be really helpful to be in community around it and to share symptoms or to share things that, that help. Yeah.
[00:19:17] Kym: the boyfriends or the husbands to
[00:19:19] Taune: yeah. Yeah.
[00:19:20] Kym: you know, they could just go check the app.
[00:19:22] Taune: check it. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
[00:19:24] Kym: the app before you, you know,
[00:19:27] Taune: Say that thing.
[00:19:28] Kym: with me.
[00:19:29] Taune: Totally.
[00:19:30] Kym: little, little reminder. He could get like a notification that says, by the way, Kim's going into this space.
[00:19:36] Taune: Mm-hmm. Just slide chocolate under door. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And eventually I'd love to do it for perimenopausal and menopausal women too, and maybe even stuff for men, because men also have hormonal cycles. From my understanding of it. It's a 24 hour cycle. But I think that could be really wonderful too, to be more engaged with what's happening in our nervous systems and our emotions. Because if we are aware of, if anybody does psychedelic therapy or has ever tried it, you have to be aware of your set and setting. But rarely do we do that for like big conversations or just life to kind of check in and say, oh, this is where I'm at in my cycle.
[00:20:13] This is where I'm at in my emotions. This is what's happening in the rest of my life. Is. What can I do to support myself to have this conversation or to have this meeting or whatever else?
[00:20:23] Kym: Yeah. Even with the perimenopausal stuff, 'cause I'm definitely in that phase now where I'm starting to get like those really bad night sweats. Like mm-hmm. one minute, like freezing and then I'm like sweating. It's like, yeah. Yeah, you know, like, so all of that would be super,
[00:20:37] yeah. great for just awareness and, and helping us manage the symptoms. How do people become beta testers if, yeah. looking in, it's open
[00:20:45] Taune: Yeah, so the landing page is Flowstate okay. and you can just read a little bit about it there, and if you just submit your email and say, yes, I'm, I'm interested in becoming a beta tester. Right now I have a colleague and friend who is helping me do the, he does app development, so he'll be helping me with the UX and UI design now. So, yeah, it's exciting.
[00:21:05] Kym: how are you building out the app? Mm-hmm. I think people get stuck with the tech part, too. It's like, well, I have this idea, but how do I even get started with it, you know?
[00:21:13] Taune: Yes, I do feel lucky in that I have a close friend who builds app. That's one of the things that he does, so I can ask him questions and I asked him if he wanted to hop on board and he said yes. So he's gone through the process of talking to people who can provide funding, which has been very helpful.
[00:21:30] But I know that you'll love this other part is that I've been really working with chat GBT as if.
[00:21:35] Kym: I, I was gonna say, I mean, yeah.
[00:21:38] Taune: Yeah, because it's like a, you know, it's definitely like talking to somebody who already has done this in a way, or, you know, can crowdfund ideas or even a personal assistant. And I am worried about the environmental implications. And at the same time with this specifically, I wonder what the environmental implications would be.
[00:21:58] If I had a big team. So I'm curious about that. I don't know, because it's something that I wanna be mindful of but at the same time, it does feel like an incredible resource too.
[00:22:08] Mm-hmm.
[00:22:08] Kym: know, it's like you have to weigh the, like, the benefits to society versus the. pressure on society or the, whatever, you know, like the difference between the two. Mm-hmm. gonna help so many people too, in a lot of ways, you know, so right. But I hear you totally.
[00:22:22] And just for listeners, I mean, there's so many apps coming out, like AI apps mm-hmm. Help with app building. there's one called Manus, MAN u.im that I recently got connected to, and builds apps. It does anything you wanted to do really? I put in like, I would need a new website page and I was like, here's what I want it to look like and I want it to match this other website I already have
[00:22:44] Yeah. Three minutes. It built a whole new website page for me. It gave oh my gosh, code, and, and literally, and then it gave me instructions on how to take the code and put it on my WordPress site and make it into a website page like
[00:22:55] incredible. about three minutes and it does it for apps and all kinds of stuff. So just putting that out there if anybody's like, I have
[00:23:01] Taune: Oh. No, that's amazing. Because I did it on Wix, and let me tell you, it took me a few days. Wix is very intense and glitchy. I couldn't get a light box off for two days every time I deleted it like this. Oh my gosh. That's like, I actually texted my friend. I was like, how do you not punch walls like
[00:23:21] Kym: So frustrating. So frustrating. But AI can help, so it just yes. anything I'm doing. I'm like, yeah. I, where's the button? And like, how do I yes. Yeah. upload it in, chat to BT or whatever, and it's like, mm-hmm. Kim. And it's like, oh,
[00:23:36] Taune: Yeah. Yeah. But we don't come from that background, you know?
[00:23:41] Kym: Yeah. so cool though that you're making this app. I made an app back in 2008 when the app store was brand new. It was a hypnosis app with all my hypnosis MP threes. It was the second hypnosis app in the app store at the time. but it's dead now because I. didn't update it or whatever, so it's totally dead now, but
[00:23:57] That's amazing. I hired somebody from India and he built it out for me. But yeah,
[00:24:03] Taune: That's incredible. Yeah. That's really amazing. Is that something that you still do now? Hypnosis? Mm-hmm.
[00:24:10] Kym: a certified hypnotherapist and I really got into it. You know, everything I build is born from like. asking for it over and over again. I'm like, oh, mm-hmm. to make this into a, or you hear that theme, like you probably hear people talking about their cycle and they feel crazy one yes. but yeah, so I was doing like hypnosis with my clients and they're like, can I get a recording of that? You know? And I
[00:24:28] Yes. maybe I should record these. And then it's mm-hmm. they like it. I just put it on an app and, yes. store. and I mean, that was a very popular app for probably. 10 years and still I get emails today like, where's the app? How do I get these sessions that I used to love so much?
[00:24:43]
[00:24:43] Kym: You know, it's interesting. But
[00:24:44] Taune: yeah,
[00:24:44] maybe it may be something you'd wanna do again.
[00:24:48] Kym: maybe I
[00:24:49] Taune: Mm-hmm.
[00:24:50] Kym: recordings. I still
[00:24:51] Taune: Yeah.
[00:24:51] Kym: an Etsy shop.
[00:24:52] Taune: Oh, cool.
[00:24:53] Kym: deliver 'em now. But it, that's totally passive.
[00:24:55] Like I don't, know, promote it all, just people somehow still
[00:24:59] Taune: Find it. Yeah. That is really cool. the passive piece too seems so important for this work. Yeah.
[00:25:06] Kym: is good. I mean, you probably know this in everything you're doing, but everything's got some work involved with yes, can like build enough of an audience to just like have it on your website and have people buy it, you know, without having
[00:25:18] Taune: yes.
[00:25:18] Kym: like promote all the time.
[00:25:19] 'cause there's still so much marketing that goes into the stuff,
[00:25:23] Taune: Absolutely. Yeah. Something that I'm working on too in with the book that my friend told me about who writes book actually, it's John Kim, is to take some of what you're doing in the book and maybe put it into a platform of some kind, like I'm working on healing from emotionally abusive relationships.
[00:25:39] And it would, it's something that you can buy online, kind of like a packet for multiple weeks, but it's related to the book. And so kind of. Putting all those things together and then I have a substack and so I thought that was really cool and helpful to hear, like to kind of stack 'em together.
[00:25:56] Kym: Mm-hmm. That's amazing.
[00:25:57] Taune: Yeah,
[00:25:58] Kym: you know, and I don't remember what course, 'cause I've taken so many courses and stuff, but it's
[00:26:01] Taune: yeah.
[00:26:02] Kym: you know, having like your primary offer, but having the mini offers that support it, you
[00:26:06] Taune: Yes. There we go. Yeah.
[00:26:08] Kym: your $397 offer, you know,
[00:26:10] Taune: Right.
[00:26:10] Kym: ones so much.
[00:26:11] They're really excited to buy the big one,
[00:26:12] Taune: Yeah. Like the marketing branding stuff that we didn't learn in therapy school.
[00:26:17] Kym: though. It has
[00:26:18] Taune: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
[00:26:19] Kym: just, I've learned from so many people over the years,
[00:26:22] Taune: You have a lot that you offer. You totally get it. Yeah.
[00:26:25] Kym: you know, but still, even yesterday with my business manager, it was like, this is just so much, it's just so overwhelming trying to keep up with the funnels and the
[00:26:32] Taune: Yeah.
[00:26:33] Kym: It's just like a whole thing, but, but it's fun too. It's,
[00:26:37] Taune: Yeah,
[00:26:38] Kym: its pros and cons as I'm
[00:26:39] Taune: yeah,
[00:26:39] Kym: with everything you're doing.
[00:26:40] Taune: yeah. It can be super fun.
[00:26:42] Kym: yeah, yeah. love
[00:26:44] Taune: Mm-hmm.
[00:26:44] Kym: creative. Like you, it sounds like you're just like, yeah, and I'm writing a book and I'm doing this or
[00:26:48] Taune: Yeah.
[00:26:49] Kym: there's so much you could do.
[00:26:50] Taune: There really is. Yeah. well, that also. Brings me though to the I don't really see it talked about that much. And I think that you have though of how sometimes this is overwhelming, like whether doing a lot of things as a therapist or being a traveling therapist, and a lot of times people will say, oh, that's exactly what I wanna do.
[00:27:07] Or they're a coach or it would be so amazing to be a digital nomad. And freedom can have if when it's seen as freedom can also, there can also be a lot of grief in it sometimes for me. Do you experience that too? Yeah.
[00:27:20] Kym: in fact, we were kind of talking about this a little bit before we hit record. Just like you were saying, you're near family.
[00:27:25] Taune: Yes.
[00:27:26] Kym: right now and you know, there definitely is like, okay, I'm sitting in the Dominican Republic, but I'm looking on Facebook and here's like. know, everybody's at my father's birthday
[00:27:35] Taune: Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah.
[00:27:38] Kym: can be like, Ooh. It's
[00:27:40] Taune: Hmm.
[00:27:40] Kym: a give and take, you know? And
[00:27:41] Taune: Yes.
[00:27:42] Kym: guess that's what you're talking about too, like leaving family to go do and explore, but
[00:27:46] Taune: Yeah, you know, I think it would be okay to share right now with my mom's mom, she's going through some health things as well, and my mom has the ability to go take care of her.
[00:27:56] so, it's a blessing because I get to be around my family and help support them a bit. And it's also challenging in some ways to leave because there's a desire to go back. So it's again, like the pros and cons of it and just having the capacity to be with the joy of it. Like how amazing that we get to be around family when we can.
[00:28:15] A lot of people can't for weeks at a time and. The The grief of leaving, or the grief sometimes that I have of not, not yet. Knowing the rootedness outside of myself, like home feels like a rootedness for a lot of people, but home is inside of myself right now,
[00:28:30] Kym: you know, I talk about this sometimes on the podcast. That is an interesting concept about home, you know, and we've gotten to the point now, we joke about it all the time. It's like we walk into an Airbnb and like 10 minutes later it's like we feel like we live there. It's mm. I love that.
[00:28:42] You know, where it used to be like, this is so foreign. Like, I miss my stuff. And now we just, were like, okay, let me look around, like get oriented. Okay, here's where they keep the glasses, the silverware, whatever. And it's yeah. I literally feel like I live in this place now. Yeah. you just come accustomed to it,
[00:28:55] Taune: Mm-hmm. Totally. Well, there's been so many nomadic people since some people still are, I mean like us, but also a part of their culture that, it's almost like a certain gene gets turned on and then expressed like, okay, we're moving now.
[00:29:10] Kym: that's a really cool thing to think about.
[00:29:12] Taune: Mm-hmm.
[00:29:12] Kym: People were nomadic
[00:29:13] Taune: Yes. Yeah.
[00:29:15] Kym: with the seasons and the food and all that stuff.
[00:29:17] Taune: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So in some ways it's like tapping into that again.
[00:29:22] it's pretty cool. Finding the silverware is a little bit different. I'm totally right there with you though.
[00:29:27] Kym: It's like they don't have a can opener. I don't get it. No.
[00:29:30] Taune: Uh, you know?
[00:29:32] Kym: there's so many little nuances to this. It's
[00:29:33] Taune: Yeah.
[00:29:34] Kym: But
[00:29:34] Taune: Hmm. Yeah.
[00:29:36] Kym: the amazing conversation.
[00:29:38] How do people find you if they wanna like see all
[00:29:40] Taune: Yes.
[00:29:41] Kym: or work with you with
[00:29:42] Taune: Yeah. yeah, my website is tawny lyons.com and my Instagram is the same. Just my first and last name, Tawny Lyons. Substack is a really great place. I just started doing that again to connect and it's coming to our senses, is what it's called. And in the next couple of weeks I'll have a podcast associated with that out too I just wanted to get a full season first.
[00:30:02] And then flow Dash State app, if you wanna be a beta app tester or just wanna learn more about it. And then soon there will be a book.
[00:30:10] Kym: Amazing.
[00:30:11] Taune: you so much.
[00:30:12] Kym: hearing everything you're doing and when the
[00:30:14] Taune: Hmm.
[00:30:14] Kym: releases, if you wanna come back and talk about it or anything, just feel free to reach out.
[00:30:17] Taune: Thank you, Kim.
[00:30:19] Kym: helpful to people.