Have you ever wondered if there’s a more flexible way to work while embracing your love for travel? In this episode, I’m joined by Rachelle, a coach who has built a flexible, location-independent career by blending her unique skills and life experiences. We’re diving into coaching for traveling therapists as an alternative path to create freedom and fulfillment.
Rachelle shares her journey into coaching, the tools she uses to support her clients, and why coaching for traveling therapists can be an attractive option for those looking to break free from licensing restrictions and design a business that aligns with their lifestyle.
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Kym: Welcome back everybody to another episode of the traveling therapist podcast. I'm really excited today. We have not really a therapist, but a coach in the space of, you know, helping others. So I'm really excited to talk with her and have you guys meet her. Rochelle, I'd love for you to introduce yourself and just talk about how you went from being maybe, you know not a therapist, but a that maybe was in one place and how you've sort of taken a journey to be in all these other places. And let's just take it from there and talk about what you're doing and all the cool stuff that's going on in your life.
Rachelle: So my name is Rachaelle de Meuchamp. I am originally from the Netherlands but at the moment I'm living in France and I have moved a bit from the Netherlands. Then I went to Malta where I stayed for 10 years. And it was in Malta that I started to study under Gabor Maté Compassionate Inquiry and actually became a coach doing the work I'm doing right now.
And last year I traveled to California and then I went to Africa and came back to Malta and then eventually came back to France. So this is where I am right now.
Kym: Oh my gosh. What a journey. That's exciting.
Rachelle: Loved it.
Kym: so I'm embarrassed to say I don't even really know where Malta is. Where is that in in?
Rachelle: had to look it up the first time and I am from Europe. It's a little island under Sicily.
Kym: Oh Amazing.
what part of the Netherlands did you come from because I was just talking with another guest recently and they were from the Netherlands and that we were talking about like What psychotherapy is and how it's defined and that it was more at least for her experience, it was more like academic training and getting a specialty and then going with it from there.
So I'm just curious, like what part of the Netherlands and how did you decide to do that training and then what led you to Malta and you know, all of that. I just would love to hear that part of the journey.
Rachelle: when I was living in the Netherlands, I was born in England but I moved to the Netherlands when I was seven, so I'm pretty Dutch, and I had a very different background. So I joined the army when I was 18 spent three years in the army, did some tours went through a whole range of anxiety, panic attacks.
I had, I used a bit of drugs when I was younger. And then I met someone, and I worked in offices, I had companies, I became a DJ, I became a chef, I've done like everything. Really not in touch with myself very much. And then with my ex, we decided to move to Malta, because my sister lived there. And so I came in Malta, still not knowing what I wanted to do.
Then I studied a Master's in Entrepreneurship, just randomly, you
Kym: I love that.
Rachelle: Yes. And then seven years ago, I, I met a meditation teacher in Malta from Bali and I started meditating and then I started to realize that I was very disconnected from myself.
that's when I decided to really start to do some really serious self work.
So I did all the therapies. I had you know, the regular psychotherapist EMDR, holotropic breathwork, everything. And then I did a masterclass with Gabo Mate. It blew my mind because it was so effective, so straight to the point. so I did more work and then I decided to start studying Compassionate Inquiry, which I did.
And I had an IFS therapist, so then I started to study IFS, Internal Family Systems, continued the mindfulness and meditation practice, and so I've combined that all into what I do today. So I don't really, I know that it's very academic in the Netherlands, but I don't have direct experience with being a coach in
Kym: Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay. So it all happened after you went to Malta. Met the meditation expert and really was like, okay, this is, this is my path now. So I guess you found, you found your path after DJing and army and all that stuff. This coaching thing is feeling like the right fit now.
Rachelle: I felt like I was supposed to help people in one way or the other. So I became a chef, so I started cooking for people and then I was DJing and making music. But I was very, very disconnected from myself and always in a fight flight. without any awareness, right? So, when I found Compassionate Inquiry, it went so far, straight to the point, you know, that I started to realize how disconnected I was.
And the mindfulness and meditation practice next to that really embodies someone to actually feel what's going on, right?
Kym: So what is the, what is the training process like? Is that like, I'm thinking of, you know, American therapists that might be listening to this and they're like, you know what? I just want to switch. I would love to go into this, this like gabber mate training and just come out with a coach and be able to do this.
What, what was that process like? How long did it take to get, I guess, is it a certification or just a training
Rachelle: You can do a year long training, and then you are, you get a certification that you've done the training, so you're compassionate and quietly informed. And then you can do a mentorship, which is another six months, and then you can actually go to become a practitioner, which I didn't do at the end. I did 18 months.
So, but it's the same, I think, when you do somatic experiencing or internal family systems, you know, it's it's online. I did, by the way, it was very intense. You have to be in therapy. It's a lot of self work.
Kym: Oh, yes. That's amazing. So it was all virtual. You could do it from anywhere that you were living at the
Rachelle: and it's, it's really a beautiful community as well. They have many masterclasses, you know, once a month with Gabor. So it's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing.
Kym: so once you finish it to completion and you feel like you're ready to take it out into the world, how did you go about building your business around? I'm so curious to hear about the coaching business and how you, you know, how do you, how do you get clients and how do you. Work with time zones.
Do you work with people just in France where you are right now? Like how do you manage all that?
Rachelle: so when I started to study, I had a marketing job online, remote. So I was a digital websites, website optimization and stuff like that. When I started to study after six months, I started to take clients pro bono, right? And that for six months, and then I started to ask for the lowest rates in Malta, and I would see clients face to face.
And then from there, it just became word of mouth, and now I work with clients from America China, I have one, Malta, so all of you have France. But as long as they speak English or Dutch, because obviously, my Chinese isn't that good.
Kym: how do they do they find you generally through your website or is there like a directory for? His program that that there are specific practitioners for the compassionate Program that you went through that people find you through the directory. I just wonder like people always ask me about that like marketing How do I find clients now that I've got this specialty?
So I'm always curious how it works for people.
Rachelle: it's beautiful that you bring this up because this has been a hot topic in my life right now because you know, it's like, am I going to poke five times a day? Am I going to like engage in social media and much or? So all of my clients in the last two years came through word of mouth and then they will be redirected to my website because on the website there's a discovery call.
I always offer a free discovery call, right? I find it's quite important to do so. I am on social media, but I, I'm not really believing in the power of it unless I'm constantly posting and it's really just not what I want to do because then I, I feel like I'm chasing clients for money and it goes against what I want to do, right?
I just want to help people. Obviously we have money. We have to make money because, and that's also fair enough because it's an exchange, but uh, constantly post selfies or, you know, all that is, is very, very tiring and not my thing. and I think I speak with more and more coaches and therapists and retreat organizers as well, you know, because we started to organize retreats now.
And it's just like, do you hire someone to do it? So I've been talking to people who like, can help you for six months and they ask an X amount of money, which is a gamble, right?
Kym: Yeah.
Rachelle: Because you don't know if you're going to make that money. You don't know if your clients, and I want my clients to get better, so I don't want them to stay, like if they have to, but I don't want them to stay for six, seven months.
I want them to be. You know, up and running within the shortest time possible. So it's a tricky thing. So I have newsletters, I write, I love writing. I'm speaking to you right now.
Kym: Yeah. Podcasts. Right? That's a great way to get it, get yourself out there for sure.
Rachelle: Yes, but if it were up to me, I wouldn't even be on social media, but because we're organizing retreats now and workshops, I mean, nobody knows who I am. Why would they come to a retreat with me, right? That's the thing,
Kym: That's the hard, that's the hard part. It's like you have to establish some sort of like social proof or credibility for people to trust you enough to want to come work with you in a lot of cases. Yeah.
Rachelle: Or you publish a book with, you know, it's on my list to do, but you have to find the time as well. And to go back to your question about, is there a directory for people with Compassionate Inquiry? There is for the practitioners, but not, most of the people who study don't actually really become a practitioner.
So it's a, a very limited, But there are many, many good coaches out there who have studied Compassionate Inquiry and are not on the website. Strictly. Because I, I'm not a therapist, obviously. I haven't been to university for six years, so I cannot register on a Directory of therapists, yeah, yeah,
Kym: Yeah. Right. Gotcha. Mm hmm. is there any kind of, like, I don't know how it works in Europe, like regulatory boards around certifications like this or, or liability concerns for you that you have to get protection for, or is that not really a thing?
Rachelle: I, I am a member of a liability um, I forgot the name now, so it's the day, but I am a member of it, but we don't, that's the tricky thing. I'm a coach, but everybody can become a coach, right?
Kym: Yeah.
Rachelle: You just do, like, a short course on I don't know, for 20 euros and you can call yourself a life coach, which is very, very scary.
It's very, very scary. I don't even I'm not really a fan of the name coach anymore.
Kym: Yeah.
Rachelle: everyone is a coach nowadays, and it's not really regulators. No, and I've, I am on LinkedIn as well, and I've had the, the, I've read the discussions with therapists, psychotherapists, you know, who actually went to school very, very long.
And there are really good coaches out there. But there are also, you know, those that are not really like therapists as well. I'm sorry, but, but it's, no, it's not, it's not regulated at all. But with the Compassionate Inquiry, you can do the year long training, but if you want to do the mentorship, you have to be part of a liability like, I forgot the name, I am part of it, you know, so, so people can complain about my work, I can get sued, yes.
Kym: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Just, I'm always curious about that because that's such a big deal in the United States. You know, you have to have liability insurance, you have to be following our licensing regulations and I know it's different for coaches and even in the US, a lot of therapists will just become coaches because it's easier, you know, it's not as stressful.
Rachelle: I read a lot of comments on your group and everything, you know, like, people on Facebook, you know, traveling, and I can't, can I still see my clients, how am I going to do that if I move states? Yeah, as a coach you don't have that, that challenge, no.
Kym: yeah, yeah. I think it's, it's very you know, attractive to a lot of people, especially with licensure regulations and insurance required. There's just so many, and I'm sure you see it on the traveling therapist, Facebook group. It's just like, oh my gosh, all these hoops you have to jump through. and you know, that ties back to the social media presence too.
It's like you said, I mean, everybody's a coach, anybody could be a coach and just put up a website, you know? So it's like, you kind of want that. That trail, at least of some social media or some consistency over time to show that you've been around a while, you know, and your credentials and all of that stuff.
So it really is a dilemma because I don't love social media either,
I'd love to talk a little bit about like, what was it like living in Malta wa, was there a visa process? I know it's different if you are already from Europe and you're living in another European country, but I'm just curious for people that might be in your situation, how did that work for you to, to go to Malta?
Can you just go there and, and
Rachelle: If you live in the EU, you can just freely travel between countries and move between the other. I mean, it's like you guys moving between states, right?
Kym: yeah. Okay.
Rachelle: Otherwise for you guys, then, yeah. So I could just pack my bags, sold everything, arrived in Malta. That was it. It's an English speaking country. It's a, it is a beautiful country.
It's very small. Very overpopulated at the moment, but a very, very beautiful country. Yes.
Kym: I love that. you were there for 10 years and then you just. Were you just ready? You just were like, okay, I want to do France now. Is that what, what caused you to change? Or did something happen?
Rachelle: this place in France, I've been coming for 40 years since I was a very, very small girl and my mother lives here. And yes, and so I was living in Malta for 10 years and then I just, you know, life, you get one of those big shifts in life and communities change and friends change. And it was just a bit done for me.
And there's a lack of nature. Like, I really love forests and trees. So I, the last few years, I would already leave to France for a few weeks and then come back to Malta and then, you know, go up and down, up and down, because my French is not really well. That's that's quite a challenge, to be honest.
Kym: Yeah, is it?
Rachelle: Yeah, so last year I decided, because I, I rounded up all my studies, I did an extra study with compassion inquiry for suicidal ideation.
Kym: Wow.
Rachelle: I decided to just come to France and see, and I had no plan. And suddenly I was on my mom's sofa. 43 years old. I have no idea what I was going to do. And I was still seeing clients.
And then I decided to go meet one of my best friends who lives in California with whom I've worked on the compassion inquiry training as an intern. And which was amazing because we never met each other in person.
Kym: Oh, wow.
Rachelle: So I spent some time there with, with different kinds of coaches and, you know, and, and I learned a lot there.
And then I went to Africa to do a fishing quest and met another bunch of amazing people, different cultures, different nature, you know, like that was actually my holiday for 12 days. And then I came back to France and decided to go back to Malta, but then I think because of the shifts and the traveling, you know, it was just done.
And I just wanted trees. I wasn't part of a community anymore, you know, my, all my friends live abroad. My sister was going to leave as well. So I decided to come back to France. And so now I'm here in a country where I speak very little French.
Kym: That's so tough. Yeah. So, is it I would imagine there's parts of France that it's a lot more English speaking maybe, or is it, do you find that in all of France that it's just
Rachelle: France is a country where they, they used to synchronize the TV. So you would see movies with French speaking over it, you know? So. It's only the last few, two generations that actually speak better French, but still they don't, they don't learn English, sorry, better English. They don't learn English at school.
Like in the Netherlands, we get taught English, French, German, you know. And so no, they don't, the younger ones speak better English. And I think here, I'm living in the middle of nowhere, you know.
Kym: Oh, okay.
Rachelle: with 250 people. And the younger ones, they speak a bit of English, but they're also, you need to speak French, you know.
I was
Kym: good if you have to just, if you have to speak it.
Rachelle: living in the forest next to uh, an elderly couple and they would invite me for lunch and they don't speak English at all. And I spent like two hours around the table with a glass of wine with my notebook trying to speak French. It was like hilarious. You have to, you know, still in the way, I mean, still in the way, yeah, yes.
But I also lived in Malta, I learned Maltese, never. That was very, very difficult, because everyone spoke English.
Kym: Yeah. Is that the, is that the language in Malta? Maltese? It's not Italian or,
Rachelle: It's a mix of Italian and Arab. So, but very, very difficult for me. Very, very difficult, yeah. No, never learned it. Yeah.
Kym: Yeah. Wow. That's, that's so interesting. so you're in France right now. When, when you went to California, how long did you come to California for? And I'm just curious, was there like a visa involved or were you just like visiting for a while and then you left? Okay.
Rachelle: disgusting. Yes. No, it was disgusting for two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It was my first experience with the homeland. You know, when you fly in, and then they have the All the questions, why are you here? And then they actually wanted to see my website, prove what kind of work I was doing.
It was hilarious. Everything that we see on TV actually happens, you know?
Kym: they usually ask me just like, where were you? And it's usually like, I just say vacation, but yeah, I, I, I've always been curious about what the other
Rachelle: Mm hmm.
Kym: that are coming in from other countries. Yeah. And how how much they drill down on you, basically, when you come in through Homeland Security.
Yeah,
Rachelle: It's on my website.
Kym: that's amazing. Gosh. Were they like, oh, okay. Thanks.
Rachelle: You need therapy?
Kym: Yeah, here's my card. Yeah, that's great. Oh, my gosh. Do you see clients in the United States?
Rachelle: Yes, I do. I see clients in the United States. Yes. So it's 50 50, I think right now. Yeah. I think that's the beauty of this work when you can see people from all over the world, all these different cultures, different backgrounds, but that the core it's all the same, you know, the trauma and pain, it's all the same at the core.
So it doesn't matter. We all want to be loved and seen. Right. Yeah. It's very fun. Yeah. Yes.
Kym: so how do you manage the time zones? If you're in France and you've got clients in the United States and other parts of the world, do you have a system? Everybody always wants to know, to know the time zone system.
Rachelle: my latest that I see people is at seven o'clock in the evening. So you can see it's six 30 and it's already pitch black outside. So I will see the client in the States and for them it will be like nine o'clock in the morning. That's the latest, you know, like, yeah, I have one client every morning at seven.
Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. So I, I plan my days in I have discovery calls plans. People can book on Mondays and Tuesdays and then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday is clients, you know, but I have to book in that separate as well.
You need a bit of time in between.
Kym: Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Rachelle: If you work with people from different time zones. And you are, you know, you don't fully book yourself because that's what I had in the beginning. Right? And suddenly I was working from 8 8 o'clock in the evening and no time in between. And that's, that's that's tricky.
That's not something I would advise.
Kym: yes, that that's that's been my experience too. Like in the beginning, it was like, I just want to try to accommodate everybody. But then I, I figured out I, you know, I had to do it on my schedule wherever I was because it's just too exhausting. you said, like, like, maybe you see somebody at 8 am your time, but then you've got to wait till 8 PM for somebody else.
It's in another place and it's just like, your whole day's ruined, you know, at least for me anyway. Yeah. Yeah.
Rachelle: a strict, like, I can't see more than four clients a day.
this deliberately because I need time in between to get back into my own, you know, energy and like, I know people have, you see, six, seven, eight clients a day and I, I, I can't, I can't, I can't present, you know, and attune to the client then at all.
Hmm.
Kym: smart because I mean, it's exhausting, you know, and then at least in my experience, you, it sounds like you kind of stay put in places, but we move like every week or so. And it's just like, you have to get used to a new home and a new, like, internet set up. And then, you know, it's just, it's, it's just regulating, you know, it's, it can be really tough.
Rachelle: Self care is very, very important. I think that many coaches, clients. We have therapists, coaching therapists, and everyone in the helping sector, we forget the self care part, if you're not careful. There's a reason why we do this work, right? We really want everyone to, you know, be that person that's helping.
So you need time to integrate and center yourself, otherwise you're going to come with an agenda, right? I need to help this person.
Kym: Yeah. Right. Right. And then just our own burnout and trying to manage all that stuff. You know, that's, that's, I've got the a new course coming out, the portable practice method. And I put a whole section in there just about lifestyle management and how important it is. and like you're doing, like realizing that, okay, four clients is good for me.
And I need like an hour between, cause I need to get re regulated or back in myself. And, you know, but then also figuring out like, like price points around that stuff. Like how much am I going to charge? If this is the amount of clients I can see every week. And, you know, I don't know if you struggle with that or if you have any advice around that process for you.
Cause I think a lot of people struggle with that.
Rachelle: Well, one of my tricky things is that In every country, there's a different salary, right? So what someone, certain country can afford, in other countries, they absolutely cannot. That was very tricky, difficult. So in Malta, you have an X amount that you can charge. In the Netherlands, you have an X amount.
In the States, you know, I work with sliding scales
Kym: Hmm.
Rachelle: to help, to make sure that everyone can have the therapy. But that's, that, that, I found that very tricky. This is also, I have no prices on my website. This is why I do discovery calls. You know, so people can talk. I always offer packages and sliding skills for people, but that's, that's, for me, I found very, very tricky.
Kym: Yeah. That, that does sound very tricky. At least for me. You know, I know that they're pretty much, you know, going to be in the United States or whatever. So that's interesting. So you would go into a discovery call with that in mind, like, okay, I know this person is sitting in France and they probably make around this amount, this amount of money.
And this is normally what people could pay for my services in France kind of thing.
Rachelle: Yes. So, well, I don't go into necessarily into discovery call for that, but yeah, so I know in Malta, you would ask an X amount for therapy, for therapist. So I know that that is the X amount, but then if I, then there's always still a sliding skill, but I have a minimum amount that I have to ask because I, I cannot do it for free.
That's those days are over. I mean, It's also self care. I did the course studies and but yeah, so, but the discovery call is more, I've done my fair share of therapy myself, and I don't know how, if you ever had this, but if you can finally go into therapy and you pay money and then you don't click with therapists and then you get demotivated, right, and then you don't want to go into therapy anymore.
So to, to make sure that that doesn't happen, I always offer a free session and also for me to see if I can help you.
Kym: Yes. Right.
And to see if you want to work with that person. If you click with them.
Rachelle: I've never had that. I had someone coming in and I went like, no, I don't want to work with this person. No, never had that. I have had a few times where I had clients and I would tell them like, I think you need a break, you know, you're okay to integrate for a while or, or someone who actually just couldn't, was too blocked, you know,
Kym: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Rachelle: that I've had as well.
And then I asked, but then I would say like, why are you here? And they were like, to learn about Compassion Inquirer. I said, no, no, that's not what we're
Kym: It's not what I do.
Rachelle: So that's what the discovery call is more for the client, to be honest, to establish that trust, because it's scary going
Kym: Mm hmm.
Rachelle: especially online, you know, it's scary to air your heart and you have to be, it's so brave to do it, you know?
And so I also tell them like, don't, don't make a decision now, do the call, you know, and then take a day, integrate. And if you want to work with me, then, you know, so they have, cause that was, I would never know. And most people have no boundaries. They're like, yeah, I'll work with you.
Kym: Yeah. Right. Let's, let's get started. They don't know anything about it. Right. Right.
Rachelle: they hang up and they go, shit, what did I do?
You know, it's not, so no, that's, that's the main, main reason for discoverable. they have work, if they, where they're living, what the situation is. So, yes.
Kym: just out of curiosity, curiosity, like what is the going rate for therapy like in Malta versus France versus like the Netherlands or for services like that you offer
Rachelle: you would charge 50 euros for an hour, which is 60 dollars or something. And then in the Netherlands, I don't have tax clients at the moment, but that would be somewhere 75. And then know in the States it can be anywhere between 80 and a hundred fifty, one seventy five, whatever. You know that that's, that's a sliding scale in the states dollars, multi euros.
So there's a big difference. Never never tell someone in Mota. So sliding scale one 20, they'll be like,
Kym: Yeah.
Rachelle: you know? So then I'm denying this person therapy
Kym: Mm hmm.
Rachelle: and that I come.
Kym: Yeah.
Rachelle: Maybe that's my, my weakness.
Kym: It makes sense though. I mean, I, I, I think it makes sense. It's important to take into like account like different cultures and economic systems if you're going to be working all over the world with clients all over the world,
Rachelle: Yes, I do. That's something to take into consideration. I have clients from all types of backgrounds, heavily addicted, bipolar CEOs, you know, digital nomads, obviously people just working in offices, mothers, many mothers as well. Which is really nice. I also started, we were wrapping up an eight week online group for women who just became mothers, which is also very, very nice.
Yeah. Yeah. That was, that was so powerful. Yeah. But yeah, so, so yeah, so I have all these different clients and I do feel I want to help them. So I also have to, you know, take that in my, in consideration,
Kym: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And are your sessions are they normally like an hour long session or is there? Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Oh, it's so interesting.
Rachelle: I never go over the hour, because I've had clients that wanted to continue, let's do two hours, but it's, it's, it can be so intense on your, on your system, and you need integration time, you know. I never want to force the system, if you know what I mean,
Kym: Mm hmm.
Rachelle: what we do is quite somatic as well. We talk, and then we go into the body and feelings, and if someone is heavily traumatized and has never really sat with the feelings, they're going to have so much protective systems not to feel, sort of dissociate. So there's no point in pushing, you know, you can re traumatize someone if you go too, too, too quick.
Kym: So true. Yeah, there's such a fine line there Mm hmm,
Rachelle: Yes.
Kym: online, you know, that's always a discussion too It's like doing just like online sessions a lot of therapists myself included I used to do really deep deep deep trauma work but I decided when I went all online and digital nomad life that I wasn't going to take on that type of client anymore because it's just It's, it's tough on me.
And also, you know, something happens on the other side of the camera. I didn't know how comfortable I would feel if they're like severely traumatized or dissociative or something like that. You know?
Rachelle: I think what, what, what helps me is I I did two years of weekly therapy with an IFS therapist. And I was one of those dissociating, disconnecting, you know, like, I wasn't a person. So, it worked for me, and that's what helped me to, to, to, to go online, yes. But I have to say, there's a signal, you know, if there's something wrong, they can always message me, between hours, obviously.
There's quite a backup system in that sense, but if they dissociate, I'll notice, we'll stop, we'll breathe together, you know, but it's, it's, it's I mean, there's no right or wrong, it's whichever you prefer to, to do, obviously,
Kym: totally. Yeah, totally. And just, I think I just got kind of grew out of it. Like, I was like, I don't want to do the deep, deep work anymore. I'm like over it. I think,
Rachelle: don't forget, I've just been doing this for three years now, so
Kym: right.
Rachelle: know, like, maybe in a few years, I'll be like, oh my god, no, no,
Kym: You'll be like, I'm done. Yeah. I think, I think we all just kind of evolved differently with that stuff. But yeah, no right or wrong.
Of course, you know, well so how do people work with you? They, what's, what's the process? Like, they go to your website, they, they sign up for the discovery call and then decide. Yeah. You know, y'all decide together what the process is going to be.
Rachelle: I don't really have a blueprint of like what exactly I'm going to do, but so they come to my website and sign up and then we have a discovery call. So I take notes and I have an idea of what's going on. And for instance, if I have a client who is struggling with a bipolar and there's many medication and I will ask advice from people who are actually knowledgeable.
about medicine because I'm not obviously, you know, anyways, once we start, it's always the same. I start to get a feeling of how embodied they are.
that's very important for the work that I do. And and then based on that, I will slowly, it's always, I always go to Tara Brach, which is I don't know Tara Brach,
Kym: I love her. Yeah. Huh.
Rachelle: and she has the RAIN practice.
So we always, I always slowly start to teach them in a way the RAIN practice. I can give homework. Different, depending on the clients, you know, more spiritual, more into self discovery, but it's all about creating the awareness. So with some it goes very slow, with some it goes very, very quickly, depending on how embodied they are.
So it's all about becoming aware of what's happening here. And for that, we do practices together. Yeah. So that's
Kym: yeah. Oh, I love that. Oh my gosh. So if anybody's listening to this and they want to work with you How would they find you?
Rachelle: I have a website, but obviously my name is very difficult. So RachelleMusham. com. Instagram, Facebook, if you find me But just through the website, you can just book a discovery call, that's it.
Kym: We'll put the we'll put all the links down under too in case anybody wants to reach out and work with you I
Rachelle: Yeah, I guess my name is not the easiest. Yes.
Kym: so before we wrap up, I just wonder is there any like Like tips or tricks or anything being like this kind of worldly person that you've been that you could give advice to any Traveling therapists that might be listening like how to navigate the whole thing or Just any like final advice around that process and what it's been like and how somebody can make it easier on the on themselves
Rachelle: to have buckets of compassion for yourself. Very, very important. Self care. So, like I'm also always in therapy, every once in a while, very important. But just really, really always check in with yourself where you're coming from. You know, where you are and what you need, because otherwise you're going to fight, fight and traveling and finding clients and doing social media and you, you skipped a bit, you know, so compassion, compassion, compassion.
So you always go back to yourself, very, very important, have a practice, go into nature, you know, do meditation, yoga, supervision, journaling, have a cup of cacao, whatever it is that, you know, tea or nature, be in nature between that's like, So important. Yeah. Missing link. I think,
Kym: I love that. I think I think this is the message I need to hear today Because I did a podcast interview right before this with somebody else and they have the same message
Rachelle: yes, no, they
Kym: nature. Yeah
Rachelle: came back to France. No, that's why I went to Africa. I spent like 12 days in wilderness. It's like, and that's when I really realized, cause I worked with another completely different group, you know, and they help people with rites of passages. And I realized like, yeah, you can go to therapy, but nature is such a beautiful, beautiful holding space, right?
It doesn't judge you. That's there, you know, like warm and loving and and safe. So nature, like, that's why I came here. I will walk into the forest and it's so good for your nervous system. And I think so for everyone, you know, your nervous system is so important. You have to take care of yourself, whatever that means.
Yeah.
Kym: Yeah. Yep.
Rachelle: Hmm.
Kym: me think of God, what's her name? EMDR Francine Shapiro and how she discovered EMDR walking through the forest with the light. You know, it just made me think of that when he said that. Yeah. I love that
Rachelle: Have you ever tried the MDR yourself?
Kym: Yeah. I'm, I'm trained in EMDR.
Rachelle: Wow. Good.
Kym: Yeah. Yeah. That's my primary modality when I was doing the deep trauma work.
I'm not really doing that much anymore, but I still have a couple of clients that we do a little bit of EMDR here and there, but I just, I just always remember that story when I started training, you know, her walking through the forest and the light and how it, she realized it was calming her and, and helping her process and
Rachelle: What a beautiful divine message that is, right? You walk into the forest and it's like something bigger. It's like giving you the message what to do and see where it is right now. Yeah. Yeah.
Kym: Yeah. Yeah, I love it. Well, thank you so much for sharing. Like I said before, to anybody listening, we're going to put all the information down in the show notes so you can follow Rochelle.
Thank you for sharing your journey. I'm sure it's going to be super helpful to the listeners. So I really appreciate it.