Empowering women through travel and fashion isn’t just a mission—it’s a movement. In this episode, I sit down with Frances Helena, a solo traveler, designer, and survivor who has turned her lived experience into purpose. Through her upcycled fashion line and the Beautifully Diverse Fashion Movement, Frances is using creativity and advocacy to open doors for women around the world—especially those navigating life after trauma.
In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, Frances shares how her journey of empowering women through travel and fashion began with her own healing after abuse. She opens up about traveling solo while living with hearing loss, designing inclusive fashion with impact, and how she’s creating space for every woman to feel seen, valued, and celebrated.
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[00:00:00] Kym: Hi everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Traveling Therapist podcast. Excited to have our guest today, Francis Helena. She is somebody that's been traveling since I think she said eight. We'll get into that and lived in over 10 countries and has a wealth of.
[00:00:14] Experience and knowledge has had some really good traveling experiences and also some not so great traveling experiences. She also runs an online business. Occasionally we get somebody on this podcast that's not a therapist, but just has a really interesting story. So I'm grateful, Francis, that you decided to come on today and just share with us and tell us about your life and your.
[00:00:34] Experiences and all of that. So welcome to the podcast and I'd love if you would just tell us a little bit about yourself and let's just kind of dive into everything you've been through. So I'd love for you to introduce yourself.
[00:00:44] Frances: Thanks, Ms. Kim. I'm France Helena. I'm originally from Australia , which is up in North Queensland Townsville, which is in the country. But I'm Reiding in Brisbane at the moment. But yeah, no, I've been traveling since I was a baby, really, pretty much at three months old.
[00:00:59] I'm 35 now, so traveling has changed. In the last 30 years, you know, anyone who's traveled that long will know how long it's changed in so many different ways. By the time I was one, I had already been around the world, like, you know, that sort of thing.
[00:01:12] So my dad was a a project manager for the Twin Towers in Malaysia and Kuala Lumpur. So that was once the tallest building in 1997. So we spent a great deal of time living in Asia for about. 12 years. So I've lived in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, China the Philippines.
[00:01:31] So up until I was about 12. I had lived with a family and we've moved to different countries. So we lived in Mexico as well.
[00:01:39] But yeah, New Zealand the States and the uk I've lived there by myself for a little bit in the last year was living in the uk and then I've moved back. But moving back again to back to the uk. So yeah, we've just keep moving around, and then I've studied did student exchange in Germany, did it in Laos, did a archeology project up in Laos. So yeah, I just love traveling and it's sort of just been in me .
[00:02:03] Kym: So how do you decide when you're gonna go to the next place? People always ask me that question. They're like, okay, how long do you stay at a place? When do you go to the next place? Do you have some sort of strategy for that or do you just kind of go where the wind takes you and when you decide to change locations? 'cause you're in Australia right now, but it sounds like you're getting ready to go somewhere else .
[00:02:21] Frances: Yeah. Well, you know, for me personally, I've lived in Australia for more than 20 years now. I lived in Asia before all that and then, you know, lived in New Zealand. So I've been in this part of the world for a really long time. So I've been out to Fiji. I'd love to see more of the South Pacific.
[00:02:35] There's a whole bunch of islands. I. That are just further out past Fiji. and because I've worked a lot with international students voluntarily, so a lot of international students come here. We actually do get a lot of Americans that come to my hometown because they were near the Great Barrier Reef.
[00:02:51] So a lot of them come for the marine life. So a lot of them are here for that. Especially Latin American students as well. But I think for me it's just because I've. You know, spent a lot of time on this side of the world, so I hadn't seen a lot of the other side of the world, even though I've traveled there, I've been there.
[00:03:08] But I'd love to see more of Europe. I haven't even been to Canada yet. you know, I lived in the states, lived in Mexico, but I haven't been to like in between. I think for me personally, it's just things like that and haven't been out to the Caribbean. So, you know, especially with what we do now in business, so.
[00:03:23] I'm a fashion designer. We upcycle a lot of items. If you don't like your shirt, I can take it, sew it change it, make it something different. But we had in the last maybe three years, gotten a lot of opportunities to do things in New York and London. We've done New York Fashion Week twice. we've basically taken the business to another level where we've decided to include.
[00:03:45] Working with domestic violence victims. I'm actually studying a graduate certificate in domestic violence responses, and that's also a personal thing. So when I've lived and traveled in other places you know, I've had certain incidents that have like happened to me.
[00:04:00] So I've sort of, been part of a co-authored book called Me Too, but Never Again. Eventually I'll write a book, just about the stuff that I've been through. But yeah, no, so it was just really. Basically telling the story about things like sexual assault rape, and there's like a whole lot of other stuff that's in this book chapter that I've written that had happened while I was traveling.
[00:04:21] Kym: I hope you'll send me the link to that so we can share it with the audience. there was so much there. It's like, I wanna talk about all of it. you know, you sound like a lot of therapists, actually, we usually specialize sort of in things that have happened to us or that we have a lot of personal experience with.
[00:04:33] So that, that makes a lot of sense. That even with your fashion design, you've found a way to kind of filter that into the domestic violence piece or sexual assault piece. That's really interesting. How does that work? how have you incorporated that into what you do with the fashion?
[00:04:47] Frances: well, it started out as A problem , you know, so in the fashion industry, no matter where you go in the world Australia, Melbourne, London or New York, everyone has the same issue and it's amazing to me. How nothing's being done. So it started off with a lot of models, so I actually model as well.
[00:05:06] And they were talking about things like sexual assault, sexual harassment, it just became a problem, you know? And because I joined a lot of Facebook groups and different parts of the country, and you know, the fashion industry's supposed to be a fun industry, but it's not legalized.
[00:05:23] It's not, like a lot of other industries where you can get help, and I think it's the people who do the wrong thing, make it, Not fun for people who, wanna have fun and do the right thing because it is a good industry. You get to dress up this, that, and the other.
[00:05:37] But a lot of the models are all volunteers, so, depending on where you are and you know, even going to the States, it was a big change for me. 'cause I, I actually had no experience in fashion. I did go to school, full fashion, maybe like 10, 15 years ago. But I hated that. I didn't like the people.
[00:05:55] I was like, oh, it's not for me. And then now I'm back doing this, which is really random. Actually, it happened during Covid and so you know, some of my friends I knew I. I ended up in a domestic violence situation. So they studied in Australia and then when Covid kicked in a lot of people had to leave, you know, and people weren't coming to Australia because, you know, everything's online.
[00:06:18] What's the point? And so one of these people, she went back to her home country, she finished and she ended up in a situation. And so she actually, saw what we were doing. cause it was really sort of a. Quick thinking, I guess, because I said I don't know anything about New York Fashion Week.
[00:06:35] I know what it is and how it works. But you know, I spent a lot of time researching what was out there and how to make it different. 'cause I said, we're coming from Australia. We need to make this different and still stand out. And I didn't have any money. You know, a lot of the fashion people that are in the industry have been in the industry maybe 10, 15 years.
[00:06:55] So they've got like a studio. They've got like a whole showroom where you just. Take a whole bunch of clothes and go out and showcase, but we didn't have any of that. So that's where the recycling upcycling came in. We just took it from people who, you know, didn't want their clothes. They just sprinkled in their clo closets and stuff.
[00:07:13] So we took it from that. And that was actually from another friend who. Was originally from Chile. So she had said to me, oh, this is what I used to do back home. I just used to take, use clothes and make scrunches and bags. So we sort of looked at it that way and tried to do it. And then when we, I did more research, I said, oh, why don't we focus on.
[00:07:32] Some of the issues in the industry, and we had to go a little bit gently about it because obviously in the States it's a little different. In Australia, we're a little more free in terms of what we can say and do. And I know obviously social media hypes things up with gun violence. But in Australia and the UK we don't have gun violence.
[00:07:52] So, you know, that was another thing and I'm one of those people where. I do like to rock the boat a little bit. So if I was gonna do it, I was like, oh, we'll wait and see what it's like out there and who we can talk to. And you know, it was really just about talking to different models and different people and this was becoming, such a common problem.
[00:08:11] So the aim is to actually start tackling. That because we weren't too sure how we were gonna do it in the States, but we've built up a network where, people have realized there's a common ground and something to actually talk about so.
[00:08:25] Kym: Oh, that's so interesting. so you upcycle and changed the clothes and then your designs got into fashion week. Is that how that happened? And then somehow it's around domestic violence or like domestic violence awareness? Is that the whole idea of it?
[00:08:40] Frances: Yeah, so we basically I don't know, it was just random. I sort of just typed in what I wanted to do with the brand, how I wanted to do it. No idea if I'd get in. So it turns out there was 4,000 applicants. And I
[00:08:52] Kym: my gosh.
[00:08:53] Frances: has a population of, 8 million people. You know, Australia's not even close to 8 million people.
[00:08:59] Even though people be like, oh, you're a big country. I'm like, yeah, I mean, from west Australia to Eastern Australia, by car it's nearly three week drive, so, you know, we're a big country, but everybody lives around the coastline. They don't live inland, and so when we.
[00:09:15] Decided to do all this. It was like, how can we make it different but still relevant to the industry? And so that's how we, sort of after just talking, we sort of went with it. And then a lot of the people that we include, I. Weren't models themself. We had people just from the community you know, especially mothers, they get stigmatized in the industry because, their bodies change and all this sort of stuff.
[00:09:41] Whereas, people had that particular ideal model, that was skinny, you know, whereas now it's sort of evolved. You have people like Ashley Graham, who's like a Kirby model, you know, all that sort of stuff. So we included that and then we noticed. How we could bring people together instead of putting a criteria.
[00:10:00] 'cause the fashion industry has a criteria high way look, whatever it is. But we just, and I said to me, and I, for me personally, I said, oh, it'll just take me forever. Like, I don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna put a criteria, I can't be bothered, so I didn't bother. But we found common ground between a lot of the people, and a lot of these people have never met each other, but they.
[00:10:22] especially with our first group, they all, they're all still in contact and they all, talk about it. They share posts. But the common ground was people could relate, whether they were single parents, whether they've been through domestic violence, whether they've lost a child, we got people who were cancer survivors.
[00:10:38] That guy in particular is an actor, but he's one of our biggest results. He. never walked at all for runway or stuff, but he is now walking for that particular production that we started with. He's there every season. So you'll see he's there, he is been on billboards in la, billboards in New York.
[00:10:58] And then even, we had a family fly from Canada the husband. Was very introverted. And then for some reason, I don't know, I don't even know what happened because I'm, I'm busy doing X, Y, B, and Z, you know, so everyone's doing their own kind of thing, but them and his, their two sons flew in to watch this.
[00:11:17] The, they're like, you know, eight of 10 at the time. But the husband ended up being extroverted and the wife thought this was great. So she loved it because, All of a sudden he wants to do this. She can't keep up with him. Now she's like, oh, I don't know. He wants to do this. He wants to do that.
[00:11:33] I mean, it's great, but I'm like, what's happening? I don't know. So it's things like that, and especially with our domestic violence victims, we have a collection and we allow. The models to choose what they want to wear. And in fashion industry it's it's not like that. So, you know, when I meet them at casting or whatever, I just be like, yeah, but if you've got accessories, whatever, you know, I sometimes they, I think they have a hard time with me because they're sort of like, oh yeah, she just let us do whatever, you know, so they're all sort of looking at each other because a lot of the time they're told we're this, we're that, we're this. And you know, even with the lineup.
[00:12:08] Kym: Yeah. They're so controlled a lot of times. Oh my goodness. I love that so much. And it sounds like this. This is an online business and the industry just brings you to different places in the world, and you're able to take your gift and share it, and also help people with it. It's amazing to me, it really is.
[00:12:25] Frances: Yeah, definitely. I said if I was gonna do something, we are still working on stuff financially as a business, but I said if I was gonna do anything, it had to be big and it had to be, I. Overseas, and even in my mind, I'm, I'm just like, oh yeah, it's nothing. But then I know a lot of other friends, they're like, do you realize what you've done, like in the last couple of years?
[00:12:44] Like no one actually can go out there and just do this? Like you just go out there and do what you do. And half the time I'm not even thinking, I've always just been one of those people that said, you know, if there's a problem, let's try to fix it. why is this happening?
[00:12:58] Why is this, going on? So I've always just sort of been like that and, and because I've lived everywhere we've had to adapt really quickly and really fast. So it was just that sort of thing. And then, with the travel experience, I think that's sort of what connects me to other people, because I lived in a time where we didn't have technology, now.
[00:13:16] Even though we do have technology and it's been great, you know, it's brought people like you and I together, but I also feel it's sort of missed out on that connection, with people, because back in the day you had to make the effort even if you didn't speak the same language. We didn't have translating apps.
[00:13:33] You had to make an effort with someone and actually try to communicate, and we've lived in places where. People don't speak a lot of English. We lived in the middle of China no one spoke English. They had never seen people like us before. So it was kind of funny 'cause we, my dad is actually Caucasian and my mom is Asian.
[00:13:52] So we'd all walked down the street and you know, his work took us up there doing some. Highway thing. I'm not, I can't even remember exactly, but they, they would look at us and we would look at them. You know, we just sort of look at each other in the street just looking like, oh, you're so different.
[00:14:07] Because in China where they were, we were closer to Mongolia, they had like rosy cheeks and you know, they were very, Round sort of faces. And so we're like, oh, okay. And they've never seen, you know, I'm dark so they've never seen someone like me. So we sort of just look at each other.
[00:14:23] Whereas now, some people they don't understand that. They're like, oh, people look at us, they've never seen us. And it's like, yeah, because a lot of the demographic where they live, there's no one else like you. Out there. So that's why they look at you. It's not to say that they're just staring or stalking at you.
[00:14:41] They've never seen anyone like you. That's why they look at you, you know? And I think people miss out on that interpretation 'cause they don't really understand because now they're relying on technology or a phone and you miss that dynamic with the person. So that's where my connection comes in for traveling.
[00:15:01] Kym: Yeah. I mean, it, it's still difficult to go to a brand new country you've never been to before, but you're right. I mean, technology makes it so much easier, but I, totally agree with that. It's easy just to put the app and not have to like, try to communicate, pointing and like, be like connected to people. it's a lot different. That's such a good point.
[00:15:19] Frances: Yeah, and don't get me wrong, even now, like, you know, people are like, oh, how do you go to another country? Sometimes I just, I don't know. I just go and trust me, I'm scared. Like I hadn't been back to the States in almost 30 years. So when I flew out to New York for the first time, didn't know what to expect, I was like, oh my God.
[00:15:38] The buildings are so big, just massive. And I, I mean I've lived in, places that, they've got high rise buildings, but it's been such a long term that I lived in a city that just had massive buildings, and I mean New York has just double that. And I think even the funniest thing, one of the girls, 'cause she's from Ghana and I said to everybody, meet us on 34th Street.
[00:16:01] So her and I on the phone going. She's like on.
[00:16:07] Kym: Yeah, it's a pretty long street.
[00:16:10] Frances: Yeah. And she's like, I'm on 34th Street. I said, I know that, but what's in front of you? Because I don't know where you are on 34th Street. It's like a hundred blocks here. But we found each other anyway. But it was just like, yeah, no, you've never seen anything like it if you haven't been to New York.
[00:16:29] And, that sort of threw me off I was scared and I didn't know. How to react at New York Fashion Week and, everybody had already been used to it, because they, you guys have got seasons, I think it's February and September, whereas things like Melbourne Fashion Week, Sydney Fashion Week, I believe from memory, I believe it's only once a year.
[00:16:48] And because Australia's so big. Not everybody travels to. For all the states. So I've been to nearly all the states. I think I'm down on Two states that I haven't been to, and a lot of people actually don't get to go to the other side of the country because between my plane from west to east and vice versa, it's nearly eight seven hour flight.
[00:17:10] And that's a long, that's a long flight. Yeah. And it's expensive, but it's cheaper to fly overseas. So from my hometown to here as a. It's nearly four, $500. I can go to Fiji for that price as a return. Yeah. So you know, a lot of people, they don't travel with it. It's cheaper to go overseas, so you know, that's,
[00:17:33] Kym: Very interesting. So just shifting gears a little bit, you're also traveling with a disability, which I think is super interesting. We talk about that sometimes you've got like 50% hearing loss and you were mentioning before we hit record that was really difficult for you because you weren't born that way, but it happened to you.
[00:17:50] What'd you say? Like when you were 25, I think, I would love to, if you wanna share it, like how you navigated that with the fundraising and the healthcare system and all of that. Because you know, a lot of us are America therapists that listen to this podcast, but a lot of people are wanting to move to other countries and they're always asking about like, the healthcare and, what happens if something like that happens to you and you're in another country. So I'd love to hear a little bit about that if you're open to talking about it.
[00:18:14] Frances: Yeah. Thing that you've brought up, because I know obviously now there's been a lot of changes with government over there, so everybody's like, I wanna move, And one of my girlfriends, she hasn't set foot outside the stage. She's like, I'm just gonna move here. I I said, Galing, you can't just pick up and just go.
[00:18:32] You need to think about things like healthcare. You need to think of things about wages, where you're gonna work, where you're gonna live. You know you need a working visa. You can't just get up and go. You actually have to go through a process to even be accepted. and I said to her, why don't you and your family just travel first?
[00:18:48] Get some passports, just travel. See if you like it, because I've got a lot of friends in the US who are Australian. And one of the guys his name's Josh, he's called America Josh, but he's basically like a I guess in format, whatever you call it, but like supports expats that moved to the states.
[00:19:07] And there was one guy he was talking about wanted to move to the us. He had always wanted to live in New York. It was his dream, but he got there.
[00:19:16] Kym: Yes. It's such a good point.
[00:19:18] Frances: Yeah. and he already packed up, well, I don't know exactly the whole story, but sometimes people just, you know, they leave everything behind. They sell their house, whatever, he's always talking about don't just sell your house. And even, you know, we've got a group Facebook group Aussies in London where, you know.
[00:19:34] The good thing about social media is that you can just put it in a safe group and just write something. Whether you write anonymous, you know, and everybody thinks of the same thing. I think one girl in the in London said, oh, I'm thinking of selling my place. We're like, no, no, no, no. Don't even do that.
[00:19:49] Because now Housing has become an issue. Doesn't matter where you go in the world, housing's become expensive, electricity, whatever the case may be. So we said, why don't you just rent your house and then see if you like it? You know, because then you can move back, you know? And that was some of the struggle.
[00:20:05] Yeah. Whereas for me personally I I'm working on getting my UK passed, but my dad's originally from the uk so for me it was easy just to live. In London and then fly to New York and vice versa because from Australia, it's a two day flight. It doesn't matter where you travel from anywhere in the world, it's still a two day flight.
[00:20:24] It doesn't matter if people be like, oh, we've created a nonstop flight. It's still a long flight. It doesn't matter. You still have to stop somewhere to get off. And so, you know, when I became hearing impaired. was living in New Zealand, so before I did fashion, I, used to work in hospitality, worked in events did concerts, vate super cars the whole nine yards type thing.
[00:20:48] And so, basically, I don't know if it's because I. worked in noisy environments, or my mom reckon it's because I used to listen to music. I love music. I grew up with music and you know, my dad used to play things like Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, you know, all that sort of stuff. And we're just.
[00:21:05] Brought up on so many different types of music. And so I don't know if that was the cause, but when I lived in New Zealand, there was an earthquake and it was in Kaiko. So that was, was that 20 15, 20 16. So it was in Christchurch, which is the south island. But this earthquake, because New Zealand's actually really small, you could probably drive it in 24 hours and that's how tiny it is.
[00:21:27] But the earthquake had come up to the north island, and because they've got tectonic plates, you can just. You can feel the shift, but it was, I think 6.5. It was, it was huge because I felt it, and I never felt anything like that. And I've lived everywhere, you know? So my first earthquake experience, I'm like, what is that?
[00:21:45] What's that? You know? And I was staying with a host family, and the dad, he was like, oh, quick, quick. Come on. We gotta stand here. Because earthquakes, it's so different like a, a. With the earthquake when you have a drill. they actually make you practice and you actually have to hold onto something.
[00:22:08] Now, most of the time people think, oh, you've gotta get out the building. Actually, no. It's actually, you hold onto something in the building. And that sounds crazy, right? Because the natural instinct as a human is just the get out. And so, you know, that was, quite a thing for me, but my ears kept ringing.
[00:22:25] I don't know, they just kept ringing and ringing. I'm like, what is that noise? So I went to an audiologist there and she said, oh, you've lost 50%. and it was a shock for her because she had never seen anybody like that. 'cause a lot of the time people who lose hearing people from birth.
[00:22:41] Or, you know, elderly. So it's mainly focused at children and elderly people. And it was a struggle because when I came back to Australia, some people said it started to affect my speech.
[00:22:52] and I'm still learning a lot about how hearing impairments work, but basically there's something in the ear that connects to the brain and it's all connected that.
[00:23:02] It just affects you. And I didn't realize it because they're like, oh, you might need to get a speech therapist. And I'm like, speech therapist. So it just took a whole toll on my life because I was only 25.
[00:23:12] And I couldn't get hearing aids. There wasn't funding at the time, so we had to raise, I. $3,000 to get it.
[00:23:20] And so we did that. So the first set of hearing aids I had, it had a, I'll just show you this one. So it's kind of like this but there was like a battery and you just open it up and then there's a you just change the battery every how many days, so it would tell you it would beep and it'll be like, do.
[00:23:40] Battery labs or you change it, but the packet was only maybe, say, six batteries in a packet, and it was like $10. So it was, it wasn't cheap. But now these ones these are rechargeable. So technology changed a lot. with this one, there was a company here because my dad has hearing aids, but he's in his like eight, nearly 80 now.
[00:24:02] but he got some, and so he said, this company. Actually can help you. So they funded, we've got a good government system here, so they basically funded a certain amount and then you just pay the rest off. So that's how we ended up getting these hearing aids and everything. But here in Australia, so like for example, with the floods, I know not floods was that the fires they had in la?
[00:24:26] So I don't know how that works in the States, but in Australia. If you've been impacted by a natural disaster. So the government has a list of the areas of where people live, et cetera, who's been affected, so they'll know. And there's a system and so people can actually, regardless if you don't have insurance or not, you can get.
[00:24:50] Funding. You can get support even if you don't want to work. You can get support from our government. They'll help you look for a job, and then they'll pay you every couple of weeks. Even if you're studying, they'll, you know, so our government, every, even though we're very high taxed and a lot of people will tell you this, if they've.
[00:25:07] Lived out here, we're very high tax, but a lot of that tax goes back into the healthcare system education. So all that goes back in. and I know it's a little different in the states I've been speaking to. Every time I travel, I sort of speak to people about like, how life is in, in the states or wherever they're living.
[00:25:25] And so they tell me some stories. But no, our government is pretty good no matter what. Every government has its issues. Don't get me wrong.
[00:25:33] Kym: that's for sure.
[00:25:34] Frances: I was originally born in the Philippines. So I've seen, that part of the world. And when you've lived in that part of the world, you sort of understand how, things are, and you know, so we're, we're pretty lucky out here.
[00:25:45] So, yeah.
[00:25:46] Kym: Amazing. Well, thank you so much for just sharing with us your story. You have such an interesting life and I if, if the listeners wanted to find out more about your fashion or get in touch with you for any reason, how would they find you? How would they connect with you?
[00:26:00] Frances: so I've got what's that thing called ? Instagram. I'm on LinkedIn I'm on Facebook. We are getting a website sorted for the business. So yeah, it'll be sort of up there. And then I do a lot of writing, I was part of a co-authored book called Me Too, but Never Again, which speaks of sexual abuse and some of my experiences, especially like while traveling.
[00:26:21] But I should actually write a book about those experiences.
[00:26:25] Kym: and how you, you know, got help and, and you know, I wish we had more time 'cause I'd love to get into that. Just how you got help and the legal system in other countries. Like, I'm just really curious about that topic too.
[00:26:35] But yeah. Thank you so much for sharing. So they can look up your book and what is your, the name of your fashion line or your Instagram if they wanted to, go look you up.
[00:26:44] Frances: So it's called beautifully diverse fashion. So we just wanted to say that beauty comes in all different shapes and sizes, and it's really based off, you know, my travel experience to say that lived here and there, and I. That's what beauty actually is. It's very different to so many different parts of the world, but then people can just lock me up on Francis Helena or Google. I think even if you type in Google and type in my name, it'll come up somewhere. So
[00:27:10] Kym: Love that. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for taking the time. I'm sure your story is gonna inspire and help. People listening. It's just super interesting and I love like your bravery and adventurous spirit where you just pick up and you go and you just make things happen. It's, it's, it's amazing, especially to share your journey and experiences you've already been through.