Creating a life-first therapy practice isn’t just about making a living—it’s about intentionally designing a life that feels aligned, free, and fulfilling. If you’ve ever dreamed of traveling more, working less, or living on your own terms, this episode will show you what’s possible.
In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, I chat with Lisa Menard about her inspiring shift from a traditional therapy model to a flexible, freedom-based business. Lisa shares how building a life-first therapy practice allowed her to sell her house, go private pay, embrace slow travel, and truly prioritize the life she wants—without sacrificing her passion for helping others.
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Transcript:
[00:00:00] Hi everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Traveling Therapist podcast. Really excited today to have our guest. She's got a very cool story. Can't wait to tell you guys about it. Lisa Menard.
[00:00:11] Kym: Lisa, thank you for being here. I always start out and just say like, how did you go from being a traditional therapist to a traveling therapist?
[00:00:18] Lisa: Oh, thank you so much for having me and letting me tell my story. I've been a therapist for about 15 years. I started my own practice in 2021, so kind of in the pandemic times.
[00:00:29] And know, I'm a big believer in building the practice that works for us rather than, you know, trying to like figure out what's gonna work for clients and those kinds of things.
[00:00:38] Like, I need to know what's gonna work for me because I know I'm gonna be able to show up better for my clients that way. so I knew that I wanted to travel and I'm always kind of like a dip your toe in the water like let's see how this goes, kind of person.
[00:00:51] So my first work trip was to metagene Columbia. And I was there for a couple of weeks you know, just kind of trying like can I work from somewhere else? How is that gonna work? And funny enough, I ended up meeting maybe three other therapists from your Facebook page?
[00:01:09] Kym: are you serious for? The traveling therapist. Oh my gosh,
[00:01:12] Lisa: Traveling therapist Facebook page. Yeah. And I'm still friends with them to this day. We just had such a crazy bond and
[00:01:21] Kym: like you just like ran into each other and you were like, wait, I'm a the Or you like
[00:01:24] Lisa: met up, yeah, oh my up intentionally yeah. that worked out great. And that kind of thing, like learning how to build community in places, you know, other than my home was kind of a, a game changer. And I knew from then that I definitely wanted to do this.
[00:01:39] And so my next trip was a little bit longer. I spent a whole summer in Mexico City, that's a city that I'm just absolutely in love with, I happened to live in the US in a really, really hot place. So when I came back I was like, I'm never spending another summer here. So like, how do I figure that out?
[00:01:57] what that ended up leading me to was, you know, trying to figure out how to have my house be a short-term rental so that I could leave for the summers, but what happened was, it wasn't gonna make financial sense to just rent it out in the summer when it was really hot. So I said, you know what? I think I need to do this full-time.
[00:02:15] So I made the decision and turned my house into you know, an Airbnb short-term rental, and my job is now like not living in the house. So, may of last year, 2024, I just kind of took the leap and just started traveling full time. So I've been traveling since then.
[00:02:35] I've probably been to six different countries in Latin America spending, between one and three months in each. And I've been doubling back and, you know, as I meet people, and build community, it becomes easier to kind of, sink in.
[00:02:49] Kym: I'll be back in in town like
[00:02:51] Lisa: Exactly right. Exactly right.
[00:02:53] Kym: I
[00:02:54] Lisa: now I'm actually cat sitting in Buenos Aires for a friend who lives here who took a trip for five weeks. So I get a free place to stay in Buenos Aires
[00:03:02] Kym: is so cool. Oh my gosh, that is so cool. And I, you know, I just love hearing, you say like, I'm gonna dip my toe in. I'm just gonna do a little bit, see that I like it. I do like it. I'm gonna keep going.
[00:03:11] Lisa: yes.
[00:03:12] Kym: Now, what am I gonna do with my house? Because that, that is always such a big, you know, that's such a big deal.
[00:03:17] Lisa: you know, that's, where people kind of get caught up is it seems really overwhelming. And so they just kind of don't start, and I'm just like a, just start. Just start something and see what happens. 'cause you never know.
[00:03:28] Kym: and I mean, it's not like you can't undo it, That's the other part, especially with the short term rental stuff, it's like, you might have somebody in there for a month or something with Airbnb, but you could always say, you know, I guess I don't know how the backend of Airbnb works, but I imagine you could just like cut it off when you want and come back if you wanted to or open it and close it however you want.
[00:03:45] Lisa: Yes. and I actually did decide to sell my house since then because that was part of the, dipping my toe in is, I don't know if I'm gonna like this nomad thing, you know, am I gonna want to go back to a place? And now that I've been out of the US for a while, it's like, , I don't think that's a place I want to go back to. So, doesn't make sense for me to have it anymore.
[00:04:03] Kym: This is like such a side note, but, what was it like, being the Airbnb owner, trying to manage, was that a lot some people have told me like, get a property manager. Other people have said, oh, it's nothing. put it on there and it's totally fine. Like, was it a pain?
[00:04:15] Lisa: do have a property manager. I mean, make sure that you have a really good property manager before you leave. You know, I mean, a big part of this is I, I really want to be able to have work life balance and spend my time the way that I want to.
[00:04:28] And for me, you know, trying to manage all of the rental stuff by myself and having to answer calls and all of that, that wasn't gonna work for me, especially being in like different time zones. And so it was worth it for me to have somebody handling all that. And it wasn't too expensive to have a property manager yeah I.
[00:04:45] Kym: So what made you decide to just get rid of the rental and just be like, I'm done with that too?
[00:04:50] Lisa: Yeah. I think being away it just doesn't seem like going back to the US is what I want So, kind of parallel to this story is like a financial independence journey.
[00:05:00] so I started learning about financial independence shortly before the pandemic and what financial independence means is that like the income from investments covers your expenses. And so investments could be real estate, it could be, some kind of passive income. It could be investments like in the stock market. And so, that's something that has been really important to me, especially as a therapist, because that's something that we really don't get into at all.
[00:05:27] Like a lot of people are really, uneducated about it and therefore like really intimidated by it. And a lot of therapists say things like, oh, I hate money. I don't wanna deal with any of that. And it's just something that I kind of nerd out over. And so, my intention was to retire early, which is kind of a lot of people who achieve financial independence do end up retiring.
[00:05:48] And so before I actually did start traveling, my dream was, okay, well I'll retire and then I'll travel the world. And at some point it occurred to me like, I don't have to wait. I can do both of those things at the same time. so that was huge. So, a big part of this for me is kind of figuring out how do I, you know, cover my expenses while working as little as possible so that I, I can do the things that I wanna do and I've been scaling back with the therapy business, not because I don't love it, but because what I've noticed is I have so much more space for creativity and doing other projects and getting into other things that I'm interested in when I'm not being a workaholic, which is kind of my tendency.
[00:06:31] Kym: I can relate.
[00:06:33] Lisa: I know you can. So for me, selling the house it is kind of a way to offload like a big expense so
[00:06:40] Kym: it felt more like an expense than like an investment that was generating like income over time.
[00:06:45] Lisa: and also a headache, even if it's like generating income, I'm still kind of the one like, oh, the water heater broke, or, you know, this pipe, or whatever. And I don't know, for me there's this joke, like the return on hassle isn't worth it.
[00:06:57] So, yeah, I, think again living in for me, Latin America, because I'm earning US dollars and like spending in pesos or whatever the currency is. It's very affordable to live in most places. So I really don't have to see a ton of clients to be able to make it work you know, very easily and live a really good life. And then again, have time for all of these other things I wanna be doing.
[00:07:20] Kym: So what's, like, not a ton of clients, 'cause we get these questions all the time. Like, well, how many clients do I need to see to be able to live in this place and be able to not, be working all the time.
[00:07:29] Lisa: Yeah, so you're probably gonna laugh. I have been going through a transition I was taking insurance for a long time and at the end of last year, there's been a lot of changes. I don't know if it's across states, but, so I, I did make the decision to get off of insurance panels and so being you know, a private pay therapist does make a big difference.
[00:07:47] So right now I'm seeing less than 10 clients per week. sometimes five. So, can I sustain that long term? I'm not sure. Getting rid of the house will help, but yeah, I don't have to see a lot of clients to be able to, afford myself
[00:08:02] Kym: That's amazing. And yeah, I guess we should have the caveat, like everybody obviously has different like standards of living and how much, money is enough and all of that stuff. And how many clients is enough and what they charge and
[00:08:12] Yeah 'cause I get that call all the time, especially people that are going to international, they're like, I don't wanna deal with you know, potentially the insurance is saying, I can't be in the country anymore, or Headway, or Alma, you know, all that.
[00:08:22] Lisa: exactly right. that's something that's been challenging is kind of trying to navigate like, who is gonna let me do this and who isn't? And, you know, so I think, at least for me, it's just seeming like the more independent I am, the less I have to worry about those types of things, And that's kind of worth it for me.
[00:08:38] Kym: Yeah. And then you hear it, you know, you just hear it keep going for people, they're like, I got off the insurance panels now. I've decided I'm gonna be private pay. And then they're like, well, actually, I'm just gonna do coaching because I don't worry about, worry about the licensure. You know, it's like kind of this evolution that I see sometimes with therapists.
[00:08:51] Lisa: yeah. Absolutely. Yeah,
[00:08:53] Kym: international travelers, like what you're doing. Yeah.
[00:08:55] Lisa: And another thing that, that I kind of got into is travel hacking. I don't know. A lot of people have talked about that on
[00:09:01] Kym: Yes, yes. We've had a couple episodes, a couple of travel hacking experts, but I love to always hear tips about what people are doing. If you've got some, I'd love to hear 'em.
[00:09:10] Lisa: Yeah, the big thing with travel hacking, most people kind of think about like credit card points, miles and I think really the best way is kind of signing up for like these signup bonuses. And as business owners, a lot of times we can sign up for like a lot of the business credit cards which helps a lot. And so I have become like so bougie and I travel like business class. When I
[00:09:32] Kym: Oh, me too. Oh my God. after you do it once, it's like I will do anything
[00:09:37] Lisa: you can never go
[00:09:38] Kym: class. I will never go economy again.
[00:09:42] Lisa: I'm so.
[00:09:43] Kym: I totally get it. Even if it's a two hour flight. I'm like, I don't care.
[00:09:46] Lisa: Yeah. It's so worth it. Yeah.
[00:09:49] Kym: Oh geez.
[00:09:50] Lisa: and so being able to do that for free is kind of huge. And so, yeah, I, I feel like I'm just living this really extravagant lifestyle, but on a budget.
[00:09:59] Kym: you say is the most affordable country you've been to down there in the last year or so?
[00:10:03] Lisa: would say Ecuador was probably the most affordable country I've been to Peru also you know, depending on kind of the situation with different economies, so right now I'm in Arg, Argentina. Like I said, I was here maybe six or seven months ago, and the prices have like tripled since then.
[00:10:21] Like their inflation is really significant. But, still there's a lot of things that are really affordable and a lot of things that aren't. So, I mean, one thing is really learning how to be adaptable. like there are places where hey, I'm just not gonna go out to eat very much here.
[00:10:34] You know, this is a, a grocery type of place. Or, being able to live a little bit more extravagantly when it is. Something that's really affordable. And, I think, being adaptable is one of, the biggest things that I've learned with traveling is, things are not always gonna be exactly what I expect.
[00:10:49] But, I don't have to be disappointed. It is just, a new thing to kind of learn and
[00:10:54] Kym: pivot.
[00:10:55] Lisa: Exactly right.
[00:10:56] Kym: So, okay. So having this mindset around, I'm gonna build this thing around the life I wanna live and you know, I don't wanna see a million clients, so I'm gonna get off insurance, I'm gonna be private pay. And before we hit record, we were talking about you're kind of like dabbling in other income streams and building up other ways to like in income and that sort of thing.
[00:11:14] You guys listening, you know, I'm obsessed with other income streams and how to have all the money coming in and not work nearly as much, so I would love to talk about what you're doing and how you did it and all that stuff.
[00:11:24] Lisa: one of the things I do is. Some financial coaching. 'cause like I said, I, I think as therapists we really don't learn a lot of that. And I think women too in general.
[00:11:34] So I have a business where I help women especially therapists, build up businesses. Learn financial systems, bank systems, figure out how to, you know, most of us as, as therapists, especially as traveling therapists are self-employed and a lot of therapists don't know that we can be contributing to retirement accounts even though we're self-employed.
[00:11:58] I think usually people just think about a 401k and there's so many other avenues. That help help us save on our taxes and, you know, all different kinds of things that, we actually can be building a nest egg for ourselves. And I think very few people know about that. So I love helping people understand kind of the ins and outs of those and how they can use that to help 'em in their practices.
[00:12:19] Kym: So just for the listeners, I'm sure they're like, yeah. Like what? I'm sure they want a little, like a little tidbit. would that just be like other investment types or what
[00:12:28] Lisa: yeah. So most people have heard of like a Roth IRA, for example, and that's a personal retirement account that most people can start on their own. So there's a Roth and a traditional IRA. I believe this year the contribution limit is $7,000. So that's one thing that you can do that's a tax advantage.
[00:12:46] And you know, the difference between Roth and traditional is whether you're paying taxes on it now versus later. But also as, business owners, we can open a step IRA or a solo 401k, and now you can actually contribute up to about 25% of your income. So for a lot of people that can be, you know, $20,000.
[00:13:07] Like there's a whole bunch of money that you can be putting in that's. Now tax advantage that you don't have to pay taxes on this year, for example. You know, depending on how you structure that. And, with the power of compound interest, like that's money that really adds up. And, if you can kind of set it and forget it and put it in the market and not think about it until you're ready to pull it out, it's really gonna grow for you.
[00:13:29] And I really encourage people to kind of look into that and I'm happy to help anybody kind of get set up with some of those systems if that's something that you're interested in.
[00:13:37] So, that's kind of the retirement piece. But if you're interested in thinking about an early retirement, so traditional retirement age.
[00:13:44] Uh, In terms of like, those, those IRA, those investment vehicles is 59 and a half. Usually people think more like 65, 70 as like a retirement age, but I think of retirement as a number. So again, once you have that number of, you know, my income my passive income is covering my. Expenses, you theoretically don't have to work anymore.
[00:14:04] Work becomes optional. And so getting to that place, if that's something that you're interested in I mean that, gives you so much freedom. And what a lot of people do is, take that and kind of start a second career or, you know, a passion project or start a volunteer organization or get involved in local politics.
[00:14:20] Like there's so many options. So I, I think one big thing is hopefully taking the fear out of money and start to help people see that this is a tool that you can use to get anything that you want out of your life.
[00:14:34] Kym: I was also advised, I don't know how you feel about it, but to have like an S-corp where you only pay taxes on the salary that I'm, Saying I make each year, but then I have like, you know, extra money I make that becomes like a di a dividend essentially, that you could give back to yourself without having to pay taxes on us. I don't know if you ever talk about that stuff, but I, that's helped me a lot over the years is having an S corp. But I know not every state can do it, but
[00:14:56] Lisa: Right. Not every state can do it. it's also not gonna make sense for certain people. So it really is gonna depend on your income level and kind of how much you're paying in taxes, what your business expenses look like. So yeah, that is definitely gonna be something really individual that you can talk to a CPA about.
[00:15:11] But I think you have the right idea of saying, okay, you know, here's what I'm kind of bringing in. What can I put aside, to save, to invest? You know, that's not just directly gonna be spent
[00:15:21] um, and thing, that I'm starting, this has come out of just spending a year, traveling and, and slow traveling, nomad, whatever you wanna call it. You know, I feel like I've learned a lot of lessons and I have a lot of tips that I can share with people.
[00:15:36] So it just kind of felt like, it was becoming selfish to keep it all inside. So, I just started you know, I think a brand and hopefully by the time this gets released, it'll be up and running. But I have an Instagram, I'm working on a website, maybe a YouTube channel called Life Journey Nomad.
[00:15:52] Which comes out of my therapy practice is called Life Journey Therapy. So it seemed like I've been working on this for a while.
[00:15:58] But yeah, I'm kind of teaching myself how to edit and, talk to a recorder.
[00:16:04] Kym: Yeah. not an easy skill, is it?
[00:16:06] Lisa: not an easy skill. Yeah. People make it look really easy, but.
[00:16:10] Kym: That's awesome.
[00:16:11] Lisa: So yeah, I'm really hoping to get to a place where I can you know, help people do this because I think a lot of people want to, but not a lot of people know how. And you know, I think especially, with. The political changes that are going on in in the US right now, it's like all over social media.
[00:16:28] People are just looking for ways out and I think, yeah, it can be really intimidating. So, you know, I definitely encourage people to kind of just start somewhere. I. one other thing that I've done I've heard a lot of people talk about this on your podcast, but I did get my Mexican residency or oh, residency and you know, that's something that really isn't very difficult to do.
[00:16:48] It's, it's a pretty simple process, if not easy. I think for me, just having options, you know, even if I don't end up pursuing that, it's something that I can do if, things go sideways, I. And I think a lot of people are scared right now. So having those options of, you know, even just having a passport, I think most people in the US don't have passports, so, take this as your sign to get a passport or renew it if you haven't.
[00:17:12] But yeah, I think just being able to, you know, have somewhere to go. if things get tough, and I think it's tough for a lot of people right now.
[00:17:19] Kym: That's amazing advice. Yeah, just have a backup like with everything. I mean, even if you're not taking insurance anymore, having just credentialed with like, you can't probably 'cause you're outta the country, but being credentialed with headway, you know, I tell people like, it doesn't hurt to have that stuff in your back pocket in case you need it.
[00:17:34] because that doesn't cost you anything to be credentialed, like with headway or somebody like that. Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense. So you kind of touched on it a little bit. So you're gonna be doing this coaching to help people that wanna live this lifestyle, but you mentioned the slow travel and I don't think we talk about slow travel enough. We just talk about what that is. 'cause I've been telling my boyfriend lately too, I'm like, we need to be slow travelers and not these fast travelers because I'm getting exhausted.
[00:17:56] Lisa: I think I heard you say that you move every week.
[00:17:59] Kym: I mean, not anymore. It's not that bad now. And right now, I'm here with my dad. He's got like early onset dementia slash Alzheimer's, and Ken's dad is also sick. stage four cancer. So we're like in the area right now. So we are slow matting it right now, but I love that term and I don't think enough people give themselves permission to do it. So it might be fun to just tell everybody what that
[00:18:19] Lisa: Sure, and I just wanted to say, I mean, how great is it that you have the option to do that and take care of your family, when they need it and, I think that's what this is all about, is just kind of having that freedom and independence to do what you need to be doing with your life.
[00:18:31] So slow travel or slow matting? I don't know that there's a necessarily a definition, but I think usually when we think of travel, we think of like, okay, I'm gonna go on this vacation for a week and like see all the sites and go back and crash or whatever it's, and for me I'm staying pretty long-term in, in the countries that I'm traveling to.
[00:18:51] And so, what I do is typically I'll, I'll rent an Airbnb and there's usually a discount if you book a month or more. And so that makes it really affordable, like it's. Absolutely. I mean, probably a third of what I would be paying in rent in the US to, do it that way. so most countries that I've been to will allow a US citizen, for example, to stay for anywhere between 30 days to 90 days.
[00:19:19] Mexico is six months. So we are very lucky to have a passport that we can do that with. But I think the difference is, I'm not necessarily going and seeing all the sites and like taking the Instagram pictures and then like leaving is my, my favorite things to do are, you know, learning all the cool produce markets and developing routines and there's a gym in Latin America, it's in every country in Latin America called SmartFi.
[00:19:44] Kym: oh, nice.
[00:19:45] Lisa: you know, very similar to a lot of like the bigger gyms where you, once you get the membership, you can go to any gym.
[00:19:51] Kym: of Fitness. That's what we use in in the States. Yeah.
[00:19:54] Lisa: But you can, go in any country, any city. So that's usually like the first place that I go and, you know, it's a great way to build community and you know, have that kind of routine going. It's like a, a thread that kind of goes through everything. And, most of the places I've been, the focus isn't on commercialism as much.
[00:20:13] So, there's not necessarily like these huge stores like a Walmart where you can get everything you possibly need, you really have to. get really local. And so you do end up building relationships with like, the person who sells bread and the person who sells produce, and those are the things that I love.
[00:20:29] You know, really kind of, being a part of the local culture and learning how people live. And for me, I, I'm. Very actively learning Spanish. So, whether I'm going to Spanish classes or intercoms, they have a lot down here, which is like a language exchange. So I might be going to practice Spanish, but there's locals that are coming to practice English and, you know, maybe a bunch of other languages.
[00:20:52] So being able to have that exchanged with local people who are also curious about my culture and, we can kind of talk about what, life is really like here. Those are the things that I really love doing, but I think a, a typical tourist wouldn't have time for, they're not kind of looking to build those connections and those relationships in these places. And, those are the things that get me so excited.
[00:21:14] Kym: I love it too. you're making me think of this time I was in Amsterdam and we had an Airbnb, but who knew like right outside, like Saturday. Sunday and Wednesday they had this huge market that they set up, you know, and it's like, it's like the, the guy that sells the beans, the guy that sells the meat, you know? So you get out there and they're like, oh, we got your favorite meat here. You know, it's like,
[00:21:32] it is community. And it's like, they were just in this neighborhood. I was like, oh my gosh. Like, I walked out the door, I'm like, are you kidding me? This is amazing. Like, I love stuff like that, you know? I love that too. And just like walking around a city with no, like, destination, just like walking around. I just love that so much. Yeah.
[00:21:47] Lisa: exploring and I think taking things slow. you know, I, I think when people hear what I'm doing, they're like, oh, I would never be able to do that. I would be exhausted all the time. But when you're slow traveling, there's not an imperative to get out there and see everything as quickly as you can.
[00:22:00] So I can spend a lot of time resting and relaxing. Like, I can go sit in a cafe for three hours and like do work or whatever it is. And That's part of living a life somewhere. So, you know, a place doesn't necessarily have to be like, really exciting or, you know, touristy for me to really enjoy it.
[00:22:17] some things that I really love and look for are like really good public transportation, really good access to, fresh food, organic food, those types of things. And, it's just kind of so easy to, find those things when, when you're stuck into a community.
[00:22:31] Kym: Yes. So how do you decide how long you're gonna stay somewhere? Is it based on like visa time or is it like, I wanna make sure I'm in this other place by a certain date, or is it just whatever? Just totally random.
[00:22:42] Lisa: it really depends. You know, I always look at the Visa requirements first 'cause I don't wanna cause any problems.
[00:22:48] Kym: idea. Yeah, that's smart.
[00:22:50] Lisa: I think sometimes it'll depend, you know, do I have friends there? Am I meeting people there? Or whatever. what I'm kind of trying to do now that I've been on the road a little bit longer is I'll go somewhere for a month and not have, like a return trip or a, an out trip booked. So if I get there and I decide, Hey, I really like this, then I can stay. And if I don't, then I can go on to the next place. that's kind of how I've been doing it. And I'm also, playing around with the idea of really trying to travel seasonally so I can always be in perfect weather.
[00:23:19] Kym: Yes. That was our goal. In the beginning. We were like, we're always gonna be at a place that's like no colder than 70. that was a goal. Yeah,
[00:23:26] Lisa: Which helps. 'cause then you don't have to pack a ton of clothes. I mean, I have pretty much everything I own that I have to carry with me. So I have like clothes for every season, whether it's freezing cold or you know, the summertime. So it, it does make it challenging. So I'd like
[00:23:40] Kym: Oh my God. it is. I could tell you twice. We've like gone to the storage units. We still have this stupid storage unit, like in Fort Lauderdale. We've gone twice and shifted out like winter clothes for summer, and I, I've probably bought a winter wardrobe twice now because it's like, how am I gonna get back down to Fort Lauderdale to that storage unit to get the winter stuff unless I fly down?
[00:23:58] It was like a whole thing. Yeah.
[00:24:00] Lisa: It's probably not worth having a
[00:24:01] Kym: It's not, Or a house like you were saying. I mean, it just doesn't seem worth it. would you do it for long enough? It's like, okay, I've really got everything I need. If I keep it in the same weather, generally I'm pretty good.
[00:24:12] Lisa: think when we're traveling, it's like, I don't know, at least my priorities have shifted a lot and I realize that I really don't need a lot of stuff, you know, like that doesn't have to be what's important. And I think learning how to value like those experiences and connections rather than the stuff, it's like, oh, I don't really need anything.
[00:24:30] Kym: Yeah, exactly. and hear you say like, I pretty much have to carry everything I have with me wherever I go. I have a suitcase that's like 75 pounds because it's like, I'll buy a t-shirt here. Then before I know it, it's like I can barely fit anything in again.
[00:24:42] I'm like having to purge the suitcase, but it's like I'm having to drag this thing upstairs and it is a whole thing totally.
[00:24:49] Lisa: To remind myself like it's only like maybe once a month that it's a really tough day with having to carry everything and then I can relax.
[00:24:57] Kym: Especially if you're doing it slowly. Because when it's like every week it's like, oh my gosh, I gotta take this thing in and outta the
[00:25:02] Lisa: Oh, I can't imagine.
[00:25:03] Kym: my God, it's such a pain.
[00:25:04] Lisa: That would be exhausting.
[00:25:06] Kym: it is a little bit exhausting, but yeah. Gosh, so much good information. I just think what you're doing is really cool. I love that, when you first started, you met other traveling therapists and it kind of like set the path for, the way you wanna model this thing, and now you're helping other people do it. It's just amazing. Yeah.
[00:25:22] Lisa: Thank you. I always say I'm jealous of myself. I'm absolutely living my best life.
[00:25:28] Kym: Totally. Oh my gosh. Isn't it funny? Yeah. Sometimes I'll like go back and like just read something I posted, like if I'm having a tough day and I'll be like, what the hell am I complaining about? I mean, this is like the best life.
[00:25:39] Lisa: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:25:40] Kym: do anything. Yeah, it's it's amazing. So how do people find you? They want to work with you or, with the financial stuff or the slow travel and the traveling stuff you're gonna be helping people with. How do they reach out to you?
[00:25:51] Lisa: Yeah, so, i Rich llc.com is my financial website and life Journey nomad is.com is my travel website. So, yeah, they can reach out to me there. And follow me on Instagram if you are interested in the journey at life Journey Nomad on Instagram.
[00:26:11] Kym: Love it. Well, thanks for taking the time today. I really appreciate it.