Are you feeling burned out by the traditional weekly therapy model? EMDR intensives might be the solution you didn’t know you were looking for.
In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, I chat with Carolyn Solo about how EMDR intensives completely transformed her practice, her income, and her quality of life. What started as a personal crisis and professional burnout turned into a powerful, flexible therapy model that delivers faster results for clients and more freedom for therapists.
If you’ve ever felt stuck in the 53-minute session model or wondered how to create more time and income flexibility in your practice, this episode will open your eyes to what’s possible.
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Transcript:
[00:00:00] Kym: Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Traveling Therapist podcast. We have a great guest today. Super interesting story and something that I think is gonna help the listeners, like especially the traveling therapist listeners, learn a different way to do a therapy practice when they're on the road.
[00:00:17] So this is so cool to have you here. Carolyn solo's here with us. She's a therapist and not a traveling therapist 'cause she's at home in beautiful snow Vermont with her kids. And I bet you're getting ready to get a ton of snow too.
[00:00:29] So Carolyn, welcome to the podcast. So excited to have you here. Can we just dig in a little bit and just maybe tell a little bit about your background and then we can talk more about this really cool modality that you're offering.
[00:00:42] Carolyn: Well, thank you for having me. And I have a little bit of a cold, so I'm a little scratchy today
[00:00:47] Kym: sorry.
[00:00:48] Carolyn: tis the season. so I've been a therapist since 2014 in private practice since right before the pandemic started actually. Um,
[00:00:56] Kym: Wow.
[00:00:57] Carolyn: I got EMDR trained sort of 2019 to 2020, and then after a couple years I started offering EMDR Intensive, so longer EMDR sessions. And for me, that really came about kind of through like a crisis in my personal life.
[00:01:14] I have three children and they're currently four, seven, and nine. So they were a lot younger in 2022. And my 9-year-old, my oldest was entering kindergarten. And we always knew she was a little. We thought highly sensitive sort of thing, but then she got diagnosed with autism.
[00:01:31] and the transition to kindergarten was really hard and so I was having to take a lot of, like, I had a full private practice, you know, 20 plus clients a week and I was having to take a lot of time off for assessments and then like new appointments. And I just got really overwhelmed too, and I ended up taking kind of like an emergency leave from my practice for a couple months because I was just totally overwhelmed.
[00:01:55] And kind of the weight of just the work compounded with all this other stuff, it just felt like I can't, you know, I wasn't sleeping. It was not good.
[00:02:03] Kym: Three kids a full caseload. New diagnosis, you know, kindergarten, like of course. My
[00:02:09] Carolyn: and my youngest was like only one at the time, so I also had a very young kid, you know, it was just a lot. Mm and so I had already been hearing about Intensivess.
[00:02:18] I think I first heard about them when I was doing my, like, initial round of consultation to become MDR trained. And I sort of got intrigued by the idea because I thought like, oh, someone I knew. You know, professionally was doing these multi-day intensivess and was only doing, that wasn't keeping those clients on in an ongoing way.
[00:02:38] And I thought that's really interesting. You know, I wouldn't necessarily have to cancel six clients in a day if I had something come up. And, you know, I was really drawn to what she told me about sort of the time, flexibility and the financial, you know, flexibility because you can and should charge a lot more per hour for that kind of service.
[00:03:00] So I sort of was like, I think this is what I need to do. And I, it was kind of driven by that moment of like, I can't go on like this.
[00:03:09] And so I really went for it and I, I came back from my leave told my current clients that I was gonna start offering this, and I sort of decided that any new clients I got, I was gonna tell them that this was my new way of working. And it was bumpy because I was kind of making it up as I went along,
[00:03:28] Kym: Yeah, sure.
[00:03:28] Carolyn: but I did know some people that were doing it, so I had some idea of what was possible. But it certainly was a real growth process for me too, to get from like. So the model that I use now, from where I started, I sort of did a lot of trial and error and then kind of figured out what works best for me.
[00:03:44] Kym: Yeah, let's, like break it down a little bit. 'cause I love this model. I mean, I don't see a lot of clients anymore, but. If I had known about this back when I did, I think I would've done it this way. Really? I mean, I was insurance based and I would've probably had to get off panels and all that stuff to really, 'cause it's so complicated with panels and and intensives.
[00:04:02] But let's just like maybe break down the decision points. 'cause you're, you have the benefit now of trial and error. Like you've been, you've probably tried all the combinations to see what works. So how is it modeled right now? Is it like these are not your clients? They're referred to you by other clinicians. You do the intensive and you send 'em back out, or just like, what structure do you
[00:04:20] Carolyn: For me, that's mostly the case. Now I still have a couple of ongoing clients that I've had for years, they're very complex. I probably will have them for as long as I'm a therapist. I mean, anything can happen, but you know what I mean? Like there's, I'm not going to discharge those people anytime soon.
[00:04:35] But you know, over time, when I started this, I had some attrition for people that didn't want this new model and whatever. And so now any new clients I get, I say, this is what I do. I do this three day, 15 hour. Intensive, which is intentionally time limited. And then, you know, I refer you back to another clinician for ongoing care.
[00:04:56] And I will say at this point I get more consults than not of people who already know that about me because I have a good referral network. And you know, my website says all those things. But I still get some people who just somehow, you know, got my name or whatever, and that's what I present to them too.
[00:05:14] And some of them are very excited about it. Some of them think about it, some of them it doesn't work for them. But on the whole, that's how my practice is structured now,
[00:05:24] Kym: it's amazing. I love the idea of, of just being able to like, 'cause I, I always, well, we haven't really gotten into what modality you use and all that stuff, but I am was EMDR trained and used to love it, but that time constraint of you know, this is a 53 minute session. The, the model even teaches a 90 minute session when you learn it.
[00:05:42] So you're already like, how the heck am I going to do this? And, you know, hearing you, and we could talk about this, having this modality of, you know, EMDR intensives, you know, like how amazing is that? I could just imagine a five hour or three five hour sessions of just being able to just knock it out with eMDR.
[00:06:02] Carolyn: You really can and for people who do know something about EMDR, I would say that an hour of an intensive is worth at least two, at least 2 53 minute sessions, if not more. Because you're not stopping and starting. You're not saying what happened with that meeting with your boss last week, or all that stuff.
[00:06:20] That's not the kind of relationship you have with this person. It's very much like they're coming for a reason.
[00:06:25] And that's what you're there to work on. And so it feels very intentional also. And they're really there to do that work. Like they don't, it's expensive. It's, a time commitment. They do not want to, waste time. So the client comes in with that perspective and that goal in mind, which is really helpful too.
[00:06:43] Kym: Yeah. Oh my gosh. I, I, I can't even think of how many times it's been like, oh my God. Literally we have to end in like 10 minutes and, and they're like right on the cusp of like this huge, like you could sense it, your intuition, you're like, this is getting ready to be a huge thing. Like, if I have to stop now, this is really gonna suck bad. Like, you know,
[00:07:00] Carolyn: And you know, you're not gonna start at the same point. You have to backtrack a little and yeah, so exactly.
[00:07:05] Kym: Oh my
[00:07:06] Carolyn: that's the other thing about it is I always say it's, it really helps with burnout because there's the time freedom and the financial, which are huge, but also you get good results, which really helps with burnout too, you know?
[00:07:18] Kym: like, man, I, I, I kicked ass and they're so much better and,
[00:07:21] Carolyn: Right. And it feels
[00:07:22] Kym: I can move on to the next. Yeah.
[00:07:24] Carolyn: Exactly. And then you're not carrying that weight of the ongoing. And you know,
[00:07:29] I have some of those ongoing clients too, and that's special in a, in a different way, but it's also very heavy. And so the containment that it offers, like for us and for the client is really valuable actually.
[00:07:42] Kym: Yeah, absolutely. And, and just, I was looking at your bio, your specialty, your other specialty is dissociative disorder. So I When you say heavy, like Yeah, I bet that is pretty heavy
[00:07:53] Carolyn: and I will say that most of my work with dissociative clients, those are my ongoing clients,
[00:07:59] Kym: yeah. I would imagine.
[00:08:00] Carolyn: but I will say that I bring that lens to my intensives, and that's something that I'm very comfortable with if it comes up, which it does sometimes and people don't expect it to. So I think being prepared for that because you're with someone for such a long time, it's important to have that skillset.
[00:08:16] Kym: Yeah. Oh, I bet. Absolutely. So did you go into the intensive model already being EMDR trained, like thinking, I'm just gonna do EMDR, intensivess, or, okay.
[00:08:25] Carolyn: I mean, I would say before I became EMDR trained, I was pretty, you know, traditional CBT kind of psychodynamically trained. And certainly you could go to do an intensive that way. But one of the things I really like about EMDR is that there is this sort of roadmap. When you're planning what this time is gonna be used for, there's a direction.
[00:08:44] Kym: Yes.
[00:08:46] Carolyn: let's just talk for 15 hours, you know?
[00:08:48] Kym: Exactly.
[00:08:49] Carolyn: And I, and I'm not trying to demean any other modality, but for me it works really well to do it with EMDR.
[00:08:53] Kym: No, I totally get that. I mean, I feel like you could probably put together an intensive with any modality, but definitely EMDR would be perfect for it, I would think.
[00:09:03] Carolyn: I've certainly heard
[00:09:03] Kym: you know, any of those. Yeah. IFS
[00:09:06] Carolyn: yeah. Is something that people do intensivess with. Yeah, for sure.
[00:09:09] Kym: Yeah, love that. And then you had this, this other specialty, obviously. I mean, you have a child that turned out to have autism and you probably had to learn how to navigate that whole system. So part of your EMDR intensivess are for parents of neurodivergent kids, is that right? So you're even niched even further with the type of EMDR that you're doing, right.
[00:09:31] Carolyn: Yeah. I mean, I will say, we all know this as therapists, like we have a niche and then we still get other people, right? So it's not, but, but that is something that I feel really passionate about because I think that parenting a child who is neuro tip, neuro divergence, sorry. Does look very different than parenting a neurotypical child.
[00:09:50] And there are unique stresses and challenges that are hard to understand if you haven't had that lived experience. Right. and I do think that, you know. Autism can be really intense in your home, there can be stuff that happens that feels traumatic. Interactions with the school can feel very traumatic.
[00:10:12] A lot of parents have a ton of guilt and shame about how they have responded to any number of situations and a lot of self-doubt about their decisions and EMDR works really well with all of those sorts of things. So, and I sometimes will work with parents who've had like very specific traumatizing things happen, like a child being hospitalized and it going very badly.
[00:10:36] And you know how awful that was for the child and how awful that it was for the parent, right? So there's like, you can even think about it from sort of a single incident trauma perspective, but there's also that longer, you know, just sort of more general experience of being a parent under those circumstances is very challenging in a way that a lot of other parents don't really get,
[00:10:54] Kym: I bet. Yeah, I mean, probably every day there's something, some challenge or that you have to cope with and could be super traumatic just from the, general population out
[00:11:04] Carolyn: Oh, there's a lot of judgment other parents, just other service providers, whoever. Just because they don't get it and they're not living it. But you know, that adds up over time and it's a lot of nervous system stress.
[00:11:17] Kym: It really is. Yeah, it really is. I mean, I can't, really relate to that particular thing, but I've got like celiac disease and I'm writing a book about it now. I mean, there is PTSD from having that, like going to a restaurant and the waiter lies to you and then you get sick as a dog.
[00:11:32] Like, I mean, it's just like constant repeated like trauma. could just imagine being a parent and having a child going through that and then having to navigate the system and already being burned out. And then like you, having that huge caseload and, you know, all of that, you know, and just how amazing it must be for parents of neurodivergent kids to have a resource like this where they can just go knock it out so fast.
[00:11:54] Carolyn: Well, and I think that's another thing that's appealing about it, is that a lot of those parents say like, well, I don't have time to meet someone every week because I'm so consumed with everything else. Or I need to get to feel better faster.
[00:12:06] And so this is an opportunity that it's like, no, you can come for a week and really, really feel better, and then you don't have to come back if you don't want to.
[00:12:15] You know, it's, it doesn't have to be years and years and, and for some people that is the kind of support that works, but also you can do both. You can have an intensive and then also have a therapist that you go back to, which is a nice, which is a model that works well too.
[00:12:28] Kym: Yeah. Now, do you have like a referral network like, individual therapists that are always like, yeah, let me just send you over to Carolyn. Come on back to me.
[00:12:35] Carolyn: Yeah, and I think that's what I try to help other therapists develop is that's, that's really the most fruitful way to keep your referrals coming in is, is really cultivating that network. Because one nice thing about it is that you can. Pitch yourself sort of as an asset, not competition.
[00:12:54] Kym: Yes.
[00:12:54] Carolyn: You're not taking someone's client away. You're saying, let me work with this person for a week and then send them back to you. Um, I've gotten a lot of
[00:13:01] Kym: don't want them long term,
[00:13:03] Carolyn: Right, right, right. Like, I, I will be done with them after Friday, and I find I get a lot of referrals from psychiatrists when they feel sort of stuck with someone. So it's almost like you can offer yourself as a solution to a problem they have,
[00:13:16] Kym: Yeah, it's great. It's a
[00:13:18] Carolyn: as opposed to competing somehow,
[00:13:21] Kym: Yeah, I love that. Really. So we kind of touched on a little bit when you said, this is how I help other therapists kind of see this perspective. Let's talk about sort of your next phase in this. So you, kind of had to jump into this because of being so burned out.
[00:13:34] You developed this thing, you know, trial and error. Then you've got the system down where it's really awesome and working perfectly for you. And now you decide what do you wanna tell everybody? What you decide, what the
[00:13:44] Carolyn: Yeah. Yeah. So
[00:13:45] Kym: be great.
[00:13:46] Carolyn: part of the my process in deciding how I wanted to do intensives was I took a couple courses that were out there and there were things about them that were really good. also felt like there were some real gaps in the information that was being provided, so I sort of thought like, why don't I teach other people to do it the way that I figured out to do it without a lot of the trial and error?
[00:14:08] And so what I really did was combine, so the, the, I have a both a group program that's has a, you know, live coaching component and then also a standalone like on demand course.
[00:14:21] What I think is unique about the program that I have is that it's about 50% of the content is sort of business related marketing. You know, how do you take your practice from where it is structurally to where you want it to be? How do you get comfortable talking about fees, like all that stuff. That's about half of it. And the other half is what are the clinical skills you need? How do you clinically structure this time? So it's really effective.
[00:14:44] Because I, some of the courses I took were were sort of like, yay, offer intensive. I was like, okay, great, but what do I do during that time? And that there, people weren't talking about that very much. And of course everyone's journey to figuring that out looks different, but it would've been so helpful for me to have some kind of framework to start with. And so I thought. That's something that would be unique.
[00:15:08] So that's what I think kind of helps my approach stands, you know, sort of separates it from some of the other courses.
[00:15:15] Kym: Yeah. And you know, just from an entrepreneurial perspective, you know, all a lot of us are out here like doing other offers besides just seeing clients. It's like we could all be teaching the same thing, but we're all just so unique in our perspective and our journey and our methodology.
[00:15:30] Like you have a methodology you've developed because you lived it, you know, and it, it's. It's amazing. I mean, there's enough to go around for
[00:15:37] all of us and to be able to offer, you know, all these, your particular modality I think is really cool to be able to develop that and say, this, this works great and I'm filling gaps that I missed, and, and I just, I love that actually. I
[00:15:49] Carolyn: And it's like any course, any course is not for everyone, right? There are some courses like there are other intensive courses out there. Of course there are of.
[00:15:56] But I think it really is about like, when you find the person who you feel like speaks to you often on a personal, it's often a personal connection.
[00:16:05] Kym: Yeah.
[00:16:06] Carolyn: That I find that that's what draws me to work with certain coaches. And, and if is that like, oh, I feel like I understand your story and it resonates with me, I think that's so important.
[00:16:15] So yeah, there's plenty to go around. I, I, I think it's important to the more work, Hey, I think the more people that are teaching others how to do intensives, the better it is for everyone. You know?
[00:16:25] Kym: The better we're all gonna be as a general, like, population of therapists. If we could offer these other modalities that keep us healthy.
[00:16:31] Carolyn: ex. Oh, well that is so true. Like it keeps us healthy as therapists and
[00:16:36] Kym: exactly.
[00:16:37] Carolyn: clients are great, but like, I think it's so. The field is changing so fast, which I know you talk about all the time, and one of the ways it's changing is that people want a different option.
[00:16:48] It's okay to say, you know, therapy has been done a certain way forever, but it doesn't have to be that way. What if we offered another option? And some people are gonna want that option, you
[00:16:59] Kym: Yeah,
[00:17:00] Carolyn: So.
[00:17:01] Kym: Exactly. And your program is specifically for EMDR intensives, right? Not just like regular intensivess. Okay.
[00:17:08] Carolyn: Yeah. And there are some programs that are just for like intensives more broadly, but I think if, because I wanted to bring in that clinical piece, it, you know, it was very EMDR specific. And maybe I will broaden the scope at some point, but for now I really like. You know, if we always talk about niching down, like it's so niche that it's the people who are there really wanna be there and all really connect with each other because we're all working on the same thing, you know?
[00:17:33] Kym: amazing. in your program, do you encourage them, like, you're the, EMDR intensive that does neurodivergent families, do you encourage them to like really niche down super far with that or do you feel
[00:17:43] Carolyn: I mean, I do just because I think messaging is so much easier when you're a niche down. Especially because an intensive is a very high ticket item, so you wanna be establishing yourself as an expert. And it's hard to do that if you don't have a niche. Right. And like I said, people are still gonna come to you who are, have just got your name from somewhere.
[00:18:01] And so you're like any therapist. You're never just going to be seeing parents of neuro version kids. Right. But it allows me to. And all the different ways that I, or market and advertise, really speak very directly and clearly to a certain person. And I do think that's important in this, you know, our field is competitive and expertise matters. So I think it is important to do that.
[00:18:25] Kym: I think so too. So can we talk about the high ticket part? When you say high ticket, maybe for somebody listening, they're like, what does that even mean? Could you explain like what high ticket means and then.
[00:18:34] Maybe take us through like the mindset around the pricing and that's where things I, I think probably that gets in a lot of people's ways, I would think with our like I call it brain, our brainwashing of we're not supposed to make money and we're supposed to be like a public service and
[00:18:48] Carolyn: Accessible to everyone. Yes.
[00:18:51] Kym: Yeah.
[00:18:51] Carolyn: Yeah. So what I, what I tell people usually is that, like an intensive really allows you to double your rate.
[00:18:57] And when I, I've come to that number just sort of based on all the therapists I've worked with on average, where do they start with their hourly rate? And I, and I sort of figured out on average the person I work with 150 an is where
[00:19:07] Kym: I was just thinking one 50. Yeah.
[00:19:09] Carolyn: like I have some people who come with me a lot less, some who come higher and then, the therapist I work with tend to charge between 300 and $400 an hour for their intensive offering. For me, my intensive 15 hours is $6,000.
[00:19:25] Kym: Okay.
[00:19:26] Carolyn: mean, it's really 16 and a half because there's the intake, but it's simpler just to say three, you know, and you know, that's the number I tell people is very doable.
[00:19:34] I encourage everyone to say, to like, think about doubling where you're at, if that feels doable, because there's so many reasons why that's the case, right. You know, purely numbers, it's 10 minutes more an hour.
[00:19:45] Kym: Yeah.
[00:19:45] Carolyn: So there's that, right? But also it's like that not stopping and starting, it's that getting into that flow state. It's that fast results. The training you have to do, there's additional costs associated with it. All that goes into the pricing and. I think one of the things that helps is that insurance does not cover this. So there, that factor is kind of taken outta the equation. And I show people like that's what other therapists are charging.
[00:20:08] And you know, I, I say I can speak from my own experience and from the other therapists I've worked with people do pay this. And it's really about getting out of our own way. And saying what you need to charge and saying it with confidence and not overexplaining, not apologizing. Let a client ask the question.
[00:20:27] Don't come in and say, I know this is a lot of money, but you know, just this is what it costs. And what I have heard from the therapist I worked with is like, there's much less pushback than I thought. Know, people might say. You know, I don't think, I don't know if I can do that. That's fine.
[00:20:43] But it's not like a you horrible, greedy person. Like nobody says that, you know? Who says that? Other therapist. That's who says that. Not clients.
[00:20:52] Kym: Oh my God, you're so right.
[00:20:54] Carolyn: and there's ways you can find, like I talk, we talk about ways to finance things. There are different, you know, ways you can make it accessible or more accessible, but it's also.
[00:21:02] $6,000. If you're seeing someone every week for a year, it's probably, it's less than that cost, you know? So in some ways you might be coming out ahead in terms of outcomes. And I really think it's about owning your worth
[00:21:19] and I think for what, what works so well with the group program is that they see the other therapists in the group doing it, and everyone is supporting each other and saying like, this is what we're doing and I'm gonna hold you accountable.
[00:21:30] I know you had that consult call last week. What did you say? How did it go? That makes a huge difference. when they see other people in the group having success, it just really makes them feel like it's possible. So.
[00:21:40] think it's one of those things you just have to decide, I'm gonna do it. I'm just gonna say it and see what happens.
[00:21:45] Kym: Yeah, just, just try and see what happens.
[00:21:48] Carolyn: what's the worst that could happen? Someone says, I, I, I don't know if I, I don't know if I can do that.
[00:21:52] Kym: Yeah. Well
[00:21:53] Carolyn: But that happens less than people think it, will it?
[00:21:55] Kym: That's amazing to hear. Yeah. And do you get repeat, like intensives or,
[00:22:01] Carolyn: Yeah, I do actually. So I did an intensive with someone when I still lived in Pennsylvania, which I moved to Vermont in July of 24. I did a three day intensive with somebody, maybe two and a half years ago. This fall, this person reached out to me again, not knowing that I had moved, 'cause I hadn't seen them since then.
[00:22:18] Right? Because I did that and they went on their way. Um, And I was like, oh, you know, I would love to work with you again. But like, I actually moved to Vermont and, and they're like, oh, well I have a camper van, I think. I'll come up. So we, I did a two day intensive with that person. They brought their dog who hung out in my office.
[00:22:32] They like were in like a state park near here, and then they referred their partner,
[00:22:36] Kym: That's amazing.
[00:22:38] Carolyn: So, yes, definitely.
[00:22:39] Kym: Very
[00:22:39] cool. Very, very cool. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I, I just love it. I don't know, I just, I want everybody to do intensives.
[00:22:48] Carolyn: I think they should just try it. I mean, it's so, and just like from the traveling perspective, right? You could do one or two a month, make a really good amount of money, and then travel. I also know someone who travels a lot and will just sublet someone's office space.
[00:23:05] Kym: Nice.
[00:23:06] Carolyn: Or you could do a whole bunch and then take three months off. You know, like there's lots of, it just frees you up from that weekly constraint,
[00:23:14] Kym: Yeah, I mean, think about that. Yeah. I mean, you have thought about it, but like to the listener, it's like, okay, so that's what. Two 15 hour intensives, that's 30 hours in a month, and then you've made $12,000 and you're done for, I mean, the rest of the month or whatever.
[00:23:28] Carolyn: Exactly. So.
[00:23:29] Kym: run out of $12,000 and you gotta do it again.
[00:23:32] Carolyn: Yes, exactly. But like it just gives you so much more flexibility
[00:23:35] Kym: Yes. I
[00:23:36] Carolyn: and just like the per hour take home is so much higher than most therapists are doing with their like, you know, 20 weekly sessions,
[00:23:43] Kym: Now, would you ever do an intensive, like virtually, or would you always say, okay?
[00:23:49] Carolyn: not my preference, but there are plenty of people who do. I think for me there's kind of a time limitation on how much I can handle myself. Like, for me, three hours is about all I can, and I, and I do it with a break in the middle of the day. But some people do more than that. It's just, I think it really is personal preference.
[00:24:08] I just get too distracted. I think. Like it's just too much. It's just too much screen time for me. But um, I think completely people do it. Lots of people do it. And I, and sometimes we talk about in the group, like what are ways to make it still feel like an intimate experience that, you know, there are different ways to do it, but. I would say I've done a couple of virtual ones, but for the most part I prefer in person.
[00:24:30] Kym: Wow. That's very cool. So how do people find you if they want to like, learn from you and,
[00:24:36] Carolyn: sure. So I actually have a podcast as well that. I think I just one hundred, a hundred and thirty three episodes. So it's, I've been doing it for a while and it's, the name of my company is called Future Template Parent and, you know, future Template from EMDR. But for me, the parent part is like, what do you want your life as a parent and a therapist to look like in the future kind?
[00:24:57] That's the idea. But I've also worked with people who are not parents. It's, it doesn't, you don't have to be a parent, but for me, that was such an important part of my story that I kept it in there. And so my podcast is called The Future Template Parent Podcast. I'm at Future Template Parent on Instagram, and you know, my website is www dot future template, parent.com.
[00:25:17] It's all that stuff. So any of those ways. But the podcast, certainly there's a ton of information there. You know, lots of.
[00:25:24] Kym: Amazing.
[00:25:25] Carolyn: how many things you can come up to talk about when you come up with, to talk about, about even such a small topic as you know.
[00:25:31] Kym: Yeah, right. Traveling therapist. There's always something new. Yeah. That's amazing. So cool. So we'll put all that information in the show notes too so you guys can go check it out.
[00:25:40] But Carolyn, thank you for taking the time today. I love hearing this, this option and sharing it with the traveling therapist so they can live that life that they wanna live and
[00:25:49] Carolyn: I hope people take advantage of it. 'cause I think it's so, it's so worthwhile on so many levels.
[00:25:55] Kym: Yeah. Thank you. Thanks a lot for being here today.
[00:25:58] Carolyn: Thank you so much.