Ever wish there was one tool to help you navigate the digital nomad lifestyle with ease? In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, I chat with Jordi Llonch about freedom technology for nomads and how Satlantis is aiming to be that one-stop solution. Jordi shares how his background as an airline pilot and serial entrepreneur led him to build tools for freedom seekers just like us.
We dive deep into the inspiration behind Satlantis, why it’s more than just another social network, and how it’s designed specifically to empower nomads to live, work, and connect anywhere in the world.
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Transcript:
[00:00:00] Kym: Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Traveling Therapist podcast. I'm excited for our guest today. He's not a therapist, but he's super interesting and really fits the niche that we talk and hear a lot about, about being an entrepreneur and a digital nomad, and he's done a ton of things and his life.
[00:00:16] I just wanna like read his bio real quick. that would be the. Best way to explain everything. Jordy Llonch is a lifelong nomad, entrepreneur and passionate advocate for freedom technologies. I can't wait to dive into what a freedom technology is. After living in over 50 cities as an airline pilot, he transitioned into entrepreneurship and innovation consulting, helping hundreds of founders each year. Today he leads growth at Satlantis.io, a social network built for frequent travelers in digital nomads. So I wanna dive into this. I'm really excited. I was like playing around on the Satlantis site this morning before we met, and I was like, this is so cool, so helpful. And I, didn't have a lot of time to dive all the way in, so I'd love to talk about it but
[00:01:04] Jordy, I'd love if you would just. Introduce yourself. Say hello. Tell us where you are right now, and then we can just dive into everything you're doing.
[00:01:11] Jordi: Sure. Hello everybody and thank you, Kim for, for the opportunity to participate here in your podcast. Yes, I'm a frequent traveler. I travel a lot. Today, we are recording this in Barcelona, but last week I was, for example, in, in Albufeira, I still keep the band of the, the Nomad World Fest.
[00:01:30] the week before it was in Tarifa for the Nomad Based Life Tarifa. Next week I'll be in Prague for BTC Prague, and afterwards, people will be able to find me in Bansko at the Bansko Nomad Fest in Bulgaria. Just to tell you like my last two months, and by next two months there is more small.
[00:01:46] Kym: amazing. I mean, you're living the dream before we hit record, you were telling me about you were going to the conferences and whatnot, and it really is, every time I talk to people like you that are doing like the real, like digital nomad stuff and running businesses, it seems like everybody goes to these nomad conferences and it's almost like a, like a circuit. Almost that people just travel around to, to all these different conferences. But the value at these conferences seem amazing to me. Like just the, the trainings and the speakers and everything that it does to help business entrepreneurs and digital nomads in their lives. It's really neat.
[00:02:21] Jordi: Yeah. Yeah. Right. And I just came from, from this Albufeira trip where I met other people that I met in Tarifa, and I know for sure that they will be in Bansko. And it's not only the conferences, but it's the opportunity to share those conferences, those learnings, maybe just some networking with people that you keep seeing.
[00:02:42] So it's not like a normal conference that you go once and then you don't see that people ever. So it's like you can create a long lasting relationship.
[00:02:49] Kym: That's amazing. So, and I imagine networking and business opportunities and the more you get to know each other, the more you collaborate and can work together on different ideas, especially somebody like you that's so entrepreneurial. 'cause I was just, I actually went over to your LinkedIn 'cause I wanted to see everything you had done and I was like, wow, okay. has done a lot.
[00:03:09] Jordi: Yeah, and those are the things that are, they are only posted, of course there are more things, but those are just the things that I want everybody to know that I'm doing.
[00:03:15] Kym: it's pretty amazing. So you've, you've participated in a lot of startups and also an Airline pilot. That's really cool. Are you still flying? It must be convenient to be a pilot and be able to go to all these places.
[00:03:27] Jordi: not anymore, everybody ask me if I can be the pilot for, for the next trip, but you have to focus in your life. You cannot do so many things at the same time. Else, else, you're gonna make mistakes over and over. It is like if you ask a surgeon to start reading a book while he's after 10 hours of, of practicing or opening somebody's heart.
[00:03:45] No, no. take your time. You can do a lot of things in your life. We live, I don't know, maybe our generations are capable of living 100 years, so you don't have to do everything at the same time. You can do it by, by groups.
[00:03:55] Kym: That's great advice. I need to take that advice myself. I have too many ideas and I definitely tried to do too much at once. So tell us about Satlantis. I wanna talk about it and, and how you got the idea and what it is and how it works and how it can help nomads. I just wanna really deep dive into it.
[00:04:12] Jordi: Right. So I joined the team almost one year ago when it was just an idea. It was just some, so our CEO, like he, he had this idea because he, he was traveling with his wife and he just wanted to find a place to grab a coffee, sit down and relax. In a specific environment. So it's not like the, the excuse was the coffee, but the, the idea behind was like to be around like-minded people.
[00:04:41] So that's when we started building this tool. It's just a tool, you know, it's a tool for nomads and I'm sure that everybody that is listening here knows a lot of tools for nomads, maybe like Nomad List or Google Maps or Instagram. There are events places, meetup.com, Eventbrite, Luma, There are many, many tools, but they are generalistic or gen generic tools that can be used for, for different groups of people. So what we try to do here is like, we're trying to bring all the tools that these nomads that we nomads are using.
[00:05:12] All under one umbrella, so then you don't have to log out from one place to go to another one. So if you're looking for cool pictures on Instagram about, I don't know, this beach in, in this country, then if you like the, the, the picture of the beach and, and you see that there is like a beach restaurant, I, I want you to be able to go to that restaurant. But, but now you can't because then it's like maybe the picture was taken by somebody that was walking.
[00:05:37] Kym: It's like, where is this? And then you're like deep diving. And then before you know it, you're down this rabbit hole and it's like what was I even doing
[00:05:43] Jordi: yeah. It's a, it's a spiral. Yeah. The problem with the, so social media platforms is that you start doing one thing and then they, they drag you. The, so imagine yes, you find the restaurant all right, or you, you use the, the map. You, I don't know if, if anybody knows, but Instagram has a map. But, but it, it does.
[00:06:00] Yeah, nobody knows it, but, but because it, because it works so badly that nobody uses it.
[00:06:05] So imagine you are so lucky that you know that there is a map and you find a place and you find a restaurant, but you don't see any reviews on that map because maybe you have the link to the account of the user that runs the restaurant.
[00:06:17] if you're lucky enough, there is a link tree or a link to the Google Maps. And then in on Google Maps, you'll see maybe the pictures of the menu. But the reviews, who, who wrote those reviews?
[00:06:24] You wrote them? I wrote them? A bot farm in India paid by the competitor saying this restaurant is bad wrote them?
[00:06:32] I, I don't know. We don't know how this works. So then, hey, imagine yes, you find the good reviews, but it has like five star reviews, but it's, it's a barbecue place and you're vegan. So why five stars? If I'm vegan, that, that doesn't match with me. It should have zero. So, you know, you start asking like all these things and the tools themselves, they're useful.
[00:06:51] But when you're trying to connect them all to your own personality, to your own interests, maybe it's when you find that you have to put more effort into discovering the what, what we're trying to discover, and I was just using this, this example of the restaurant. It can be done a wellness place, like a swimming pool, local landmark, local picks, whatever, events.
[00:07:11] So what we try to do is like we put out all this together using like this underlying technology, which is not built by us. It's like an open source protocol, which we don't need to, to dig, dive in in it, but I'm just trying to say that because of that, we are tapping into a network that has hundreds of thousands of peoples already, even though we haven't even launched.
[00:07:28] So that's, that's a benefit. So when, when you enter to a and, and with an industry, it's a way of discovering places based on cities. So if you were playing today, maybe you've, you've. Practice did. Did you open like any city in particular, or what did you, did you.
[00:07:43] Kym: for the listeners, if you, if you go to the website, you kind of, the first thing you see is a bunch of different cities listed. And what I loved, I thought was really cool is it's like a summary of like the monthly cost of living. For that city. So I clicked on Dubai 'cause that was the first one that came up and it's got like a rating system.
[00:08:03] I can't remember what the categories there, but it was like yeah, family life,
[00:08:07] Jordi: safety
[00:08:08] Kym: the safety,
[00:08:09] Jordi: infrastructure, education. So business friendly,
[00:08:14] Kym: Yes, and then the cost of living, which what I didn't know, 'cause I was actually talking to my boyfriend about it earlier today. I was like, oh my God, it's got the cost of living. He was like, well, what is that based on? Is that like a single person trying to live in the city? That sort of thing. So I, I did wanna ask you that, like
[00:08:29] Jordi: Good question.
[00:08:30] Kym: yeah.
[00:08:31] Jordi: So at the time of this recording, we have around 80 cities maybe when, when this is uh, published we have already 100 or 200 cities. So we are adding in a lot of info, a lot of cities at the same time, which raises this, this problem, like the more information we have, the more complicated it will be to get, to gather all this info.
[00:08:46] So at the moment, what we're doing is. We are buying all this information from centralized databases that have like people on the ground, like gathering all, all this info, all the statistics. Then on top of that, we also partner with local people in the city. So in Dubai we have an ambassador, and the job of the ambassador is to fill in the survey.
[00:09:04] But the problem is that maybe the cost of living is different than yours. Because maybe he, his standards is like living in a five star hotel every day. So the next level will be like, because this is a social network, everybody that is living in Dubai will be able to to say, how much am I paying?
[00:09:20] And then based on your interest, if you and I have similar interests, then we'll see similar prices because maybe you and I, we don't need a five star hotel and we are happy with just, a rented apartment not in downtown, maybe in, in the suburbs. So this is how we are creating, it's a social network, right?
[00:09:35] It's an any social network that, that learns from, from your interests to, to give you like a personalized uh, experience.
[00:09:40] Kym: it's really cool. So then once you, I didn't have a lot of time to dive into it, but when you, when you start to dive into that city, that's where you can start to personalize it, I guess with the open source information, if you're a, gluten-free, so if you're a gluten-free
[00:09:53] Jordi: Yes. Yes.
[00:09:54] Kym: restaurant-goer, like you can pick Dubai, and then that sort of thing. And then it, it looked like, it almost gives you like a feed, basically a feed
[00:10:01] Jordi: Yes,
[00:10:01] Kym: more personalized to you. And then you can like personalize the city to your personality basically, if you're planning to move or live there or whatever.
[00:10:10] Jordi: That's a good use case of, of Satlantis. So we are building it for people like me. So it's like, where am I gonna live next? Am I gonna live in Dubai? I wanna know beforehand how much will it cost me is this the type of city built for me? So I need to know all these filters that you were saying.
[00:10:26] So maybe Dubai is not for me. So I go to the next city and I, I discover cities based on my interest. we have like two experiences. We have the website experience, which is free to use. Nobody needs to even to create an account for you to play, you don't even have to create an account. It's like we show you first what, what you can do, but then if you want to have like a better personalized experience because we have a chat or we have collections. all these things we ask you to create account. I I, I don't want you to be like texting publicly to anyone, so, but this is like, like premium features and even, I'm, I'm saying the word premium, but it's not even paid.
[00:10:58] Anybody can, can join, can, can play around. again, because of this technology that we're using that we don't, I don't wanna get. So technical about it. We are not even creating accounts. We are creating profiles, meaning that we don't even own anything that you post.
[00:11:11] So you can even leave with all this, all your information. It will never be ours. It is like the difference between the legacy social media platforms. We, we don't wanna have this big power because we know that power will eventually corrupt us. If it's not, we willingly somebody could coerce us and, and force us to, to, to do something with that data.
[00:11:28] So that's why we, we don't, we don't even force you to create accounts. This is one of the things that when, when you said, I'm interested or I'm curious about what is these freedom technologies have to do? That's it.
[00:11:39] Kym: like, this must be the freedom technology
[00:11:41] Jordi: That's the freedom technology.
[00:11:42] Right?
[00:11:43] Kym: I, that's amazing.
[00:11:44] Jordi: And this is just experience that you have on the website because normally when you are planning for a long trip, that may be for two or three, four, even six months. You need to, to sit down and make Long lasting decisions. So that's why you have like this big experience of this website. As you was saying, you can have a feed of the city, but then once you're, you're, you have arrived to the city, maybe you want to ask experience more social side of the city.
[00:12:06] So maybe you wanna find events, restaurants places. So that's why we also have apps for Android, and iOS. So then you can see what your friends are doing, or even friends that you just, you still don't know that they are your friends because it's just people with your same interests in the same city.
[00:12:22] And if you're tired of that city, you can just unfollow the city and all of a sudden you stop seeing anything related to that city and you can then come back. You say, oh, sorry, I wanna see again what, what's happened on.
[00:12:32] Kym: I wanna be back in the city.
[00:12:33] Jordi: Yes. Yes. So that's, that's like the, the two experiences. And both of them use this underlying freedom technology, which doesn't allow us to do much.
[00:12:41] So A quick metaphor. Imagine if you could bring all your, and I think that, that, that could be interesting for all your therapists your, your listeners, because we are a social network and the, the role of the social network is not only to create friendship connection, like this type of, of connections, but business connections.
[00:12:57] So for example, if you're offering your, your services as a psychopathic therapist. Then you can post that on, on the platform. And if you're offering that in person in whichever city in Dubai, you can post it over there. So it's, it's a way for, but the problem is like, imagine like there are many content creators or small business entrepreneurs that they do that on Instagram or in YouTube.
[00:13:20] The problem with that is that all this information is held captive by these platforms. So if one day you wanna bring all your follower list or your likes or your posts or your messages, imagine you, you have like these private messages with your clients. If you wanna bring them from Instagram to to WhatsApp or from Instagram to Twitter, you cannot do that.
[00:13:40] So we are use, we are using, and this is a metaphor, you will never be able to do that unless one of those companies buys each other and they create an integration. But what we use, the, the technology that we are using, allow our users to do that. So today you can join in Satlantis, do everything you want, and if tomorrow you're tired of Satlantis or, I dunno, you just don't like the colors of the website.
[00:14:00] So for whichever reason, you can bring all, all your activity and replicate it in other competitor apps. That like different interfaces, but that you can move and that, and that's the value. Like we are not competing with Twitter or Instagram or whatever. No, no. We, we are competing with other friend apps that are doing the same.
[00:14:22] The difference is that we have the only, this only angle for, for digital nomads. But I mean, this is a pro, an open protocol. Anybody could, Bo could build a competitor of Satlantis. You can build Satlantis too for therapies.com. You can do that tomorrow and that would be good for the, for the users that, that are using it. Because then I would have to improve our platform based on, oh, you are building something that is more interesting for, for the user. And, and this is called the portability and the flexibility that you can bring your identity from one place to another.
[00:14:51] Kym: And the open source protocol you're talking about, I guess this open source is out there for anybody to use and put into a system like this.
[00:14:58] And I guess that's more of the freedom technology stuff. It's out there for everybody to do what they wanna do with it. Yeah.
[00:15:03] Jordi: Yes, yes,
[00:15:04] Kym: So interesting.
[00:15:05] Jordi: very, very much. And, and, and this is something that normally Nomads are interested in because nomads are looking for freedom. They normally look for location, for location independence, but an independence strength becomes freedom. And this freedom, they, they start looking for, okay, I have now freedom of, of traveling, but
[00:15:25] there are more freedoms that I'm interested in, maybe money. The problem with, with many nomads is that because they travel so much and they are opening their bank accounts from different countries, they get their bank accounts ceased or they get a lot of questions and, and they lose access to the, to their funds.
[00:15:41] So this is one of the things that, that we're, I mean, once you enter to this rabbit hole of Freedom Technologies, you'll see that there are ways of moving money without even having to have bank accounts or things like a topic for another discussion, but
[00:15:55] Kym: we could dig, we could dig into it a little bit because the other thing that you specialize in is Bitcoin. And you know a lot about Bitcoin and I really don't. And you know, the listeners, that might be super valuable for them, if you, if you wanna take the time
[00:16:08] Jordi: Yes. I'll, I'll be happy. Yes.
[00:16:12] Kym: like, mean, I, I'm in the US mostly.
[00:16:14] Jordi: Yeah.
[00:16:15] Kym: and we don't really, I mean, I know people do, but I don't use Bitcoin here. But you know, I, I know that people are using it. And I was kind of looking at your LinkedIn too, around the Bitcoin stuff, and
[00:16:24] Jordi: Yeah,
[00:16:25] Kym: you could talk about that. Like, how would a, a nomad, like somebody like me, like start using Bitcoin as a currency if they wanted to do that.
[00:16:32] Like what is the premise of it? And, and could you give us some information around that too?
[00:16:37] Jordi: definitely. let me start with a couple of definitions. So today you're American and you live in the us so you use the dollar. The dollar is the. It is a world dominant currency to today's, like, if you have dollars, you have nothing to worry about. not because it's a strong currency, it's because it's the strongest,
[00:16:54] but it's not strong because it's, it's backed by nothing. It's backed by promises dollars. Today, you, you know, since the, since the Nixon shock in 1960 something, he pack the, the gold from the pack between the, between the. The dollar and, and the gold standard. So it's like there was a time that with $1, with one $1 bill, you could go to the bank and they would give you a small portion of gold.
[00:17:21] And if you look at old, bank notes, it will say redeemable by gold. But that's why there are new designs now out there, and it doesn't say anymore readable by by nothing. So now it's just, it's just ones and zeros printed, sometimes digitally, sometimes printed on these pieces of, of cotton, which are the, the bank notes.
[00:17:39] So the tolerance is worth nothing. It's just a promise. It's a promise that, that the government will give it back to you if you come back, if you believe in the government. And that's why. And, and why is, is the dollar the strongest one? Because it's the one that the, the nation state with the strongest army in the world.
[00:17:56] Because of that, it's like. I'm in Europe, right? So I have the euro, Euro search is normally like the second one after the dollar. So if I pay you 100 euros now, then you want to use it back you will try to use it in Europe.
[00:18:10] But if nobody accepts it, then you will come and, and, and you will come with your with your army and say, look my army is bigger than yours. You better take this. Right? So it's, this is like a, a small explanation. I'm trying to be as short as possible on how the global currency system works.
[00:18:29] The problem with that is that dollars that we have in our pockets, in our bank accounts are, are not ours. They are promises that somebody else, in this case, the federal reserves through the United States government will pay it back. That's why for no much, when they travel from one place to another, they get these blockages, the, the, these, these blocks of their accounts because it's not their money.
[00:18:51] It's, they are accounts, they're bank accounts that are held by custodians, call it banks, call it third parties. And they give you access to something that it's not, it was never yours. It was a promise of debt of the us. So, a lot of nomads. Are worried because they think they're free. But they're not free because they depend on a money that It's not theirs. And the word money, I don't like it anymore because, because we are using it, we, we changed the definition of money without changing the name itself. So we are, and you use the word currency before. So what, what we have today is currency. Currency. It's not a synonym of of money, it's something different money.
[00:19:29] And, and there is like this definite this, this. This definition that it's called like sound money. Sound money means it's like, because it's sound, it's it's solid. It's it's strong. it's come from the old meaning of sound in English. That means that it makes sound. So what is sound? Money?
[00:19:47] Anything, like, any coin that you let, you let flow you, you let fall, fall. And if it makes sound, this is money. Try to do that with any coin that you have today. It doesn't make any sense. It makes click. But with a, with a gold money, with a gold coin, it will be clink, clink, clink, clink cl. So that's, that's sound money, right?
[00:20:04] So, but we don't have sound money anymore. So a coin of, of gold is as, as worth today as it was 2000 years ago in the Roman Empire. But, but a coin uh, a quarter of a dollar today, it, it doesn't even have silver in it. So it, it's worth not the same as 2000 years ago before. we have the, the government.
[00:20:22] So what I'm trying to say here is that nomads where they travel, they're trying to make their own life means of living by being free. But they can't. So, Bitcoin is a, a good tool for them to become financially free. Why is that? I gave you a little rough and very Very quick as I could, the explanation of how the fiat system works. The fiat is like fiat by by degree. So it's like, so the differences between the, the traditional legacy currency system with Bitcoin is that Bitcoin doesn't depend on any third party. There is no government that is talking to any federal Reserve bank that is deciding.
[00:21:04] Today we're gonna print $1 trillion. There is nobody doing that. We call it sound money. We call it digital gold because it comes from nature. So how, ma, how much gold do we have in the universe? There is a small limited amount of gold. We cannot produce more gold. So in Bitcoin we use the same analogy that we cannot produce more Bitcoin because there is, there is a, it's also an open protocol, open source network that we all agree.
[00:21:34] When I say we, it's all the participants on the network. You don't have to have Bitcoin to part, to agree on the, on the, on the consensus. what I am trying to say is that there is a limited amount of Bitcoin today and there will never ever be as much bitcoin in, in a hundred thousand years, the same as with gold.
[00:21:55] The difference is that gold. today's, it's under underground, so we need to put a lot of effort to find it. Like we, we have to mine it and it's there, but it's, it's so expensive to, to mine that maybe we are not extracting it at the fast rate, but when we need more, we would need it. We would put more effort.
[00:22:15] So in Bitcoin it's the same. Today there is a, a specific amount of Bitcoin, and then day after day, if you have, if you put more effort, you will extract it all enough. And at the end of of the next century, all the Bitcoin in in existence will be extracted.
[00:22:30] Why am I telling you all this and why? Somebody that is listening cares about that?
[00:22:34] Because Bitcoin is something that if it's mine, it's mine, like a gold coin, it's mine and there is no third party controlling it. So if I travel from point A to point B, I travel with my Bitcoin so nobody can block it. So if you are an and you're trying to. Make your living with clients all over the world, you might be interested in charging your services in Bitcoin because there is many people in the world with Bitcoin willing to expect to spend it.
[00:23:05] And I'm not talking about trading. This is not a crypto bro trading class. No. This is an asset that can be used for many things. I mean, gold has also had hits, its trading feature so people can trade it and, and dollars and people can trade. But we are using the tool, the technology itself, as a means of, of, of achieving one goal, which is if you're a professional and you wanna charge your services in Bitcoin, you can do it because it, it would be to be, it's me, Jordi paying to you, Kim, directly.
[00:23:38] there is no Venmo, there is no cash up in the middle. There is no bank. That will verify that this transaction is legit or it's not legit? Or what does the mean? The word legit even mean at every time in history? Because, because those things can change. No, if you give me a 30 minute session and I agree to pay you $200 in Bitcoin, it's an agreement between the two parties, you and me, many nomads are starting to dig into this rabbit hole because they're looking for uh, financial freedom.
[00:24:08] Kym: I mean, I, I get that question like probably once a week in my traveling therapist Facebook group. It's like, how, how are you guys managing money and bank accounts and all these different places? Like, it, it, it's a real issue.
[00:24:20] Jordi: I've seen it. I've seen it.
[00:24:22] Kym: trying to do that. So that, that's so interesting. So how does somebody, I mean, I have like, I know nothing about Bitcoin, like how does somebody. buy Bitcoin. How do you know, like, I'm a therapist, right? Let's say I charge $150 for an hour.
[00:24:34] Like, what does that even equate to in Bitcoin terms, you know, and how do you even know? And then how do you, how does somebody pay you in Bitcoin? You know? Like I, that's probably so basic to you, but I'm hearing you talk and I don't even know. I don't even know this, you know?
[00:24:48] Jordi: So the first thing I would recommend you is that in your website, when you say book a session with me, you add like the smallest icon that says, I accept Bitcoin. Simple like that, right? And then by doing that. your target group of clients has just expanded. Now you have more clients because there are people that has Bitcoin that don't know how to spend it.
[00:25:07] And people that don't wanna go to the bank, they don't wanna go to an exchange, they don't wanna go to any regulated entity. Because the good thing of Bitcoin is if you use it properly, it can give you a lot of anonymity. It's not an anon an anonymous coin, it's pseudonymous. But there is people that don't want to.
[00:25:24] To be tracked. Why not? There are many reasons people would say, because you're a, a robber or, or you are a bad actor. No, people that use Bitcoin don't wanna say they have it because they don't trust that if they say it into a bank account or if, if they sell into a bank, office, or if they say it into an exchange, they don't trust that those organizations will be able to keep their information
[00:25:47] private And there are databases and in the deep web and in the dark web that you can buy off people with Bitcoin. So then it's, especially for example in Sweden that happened in Sweden, there is like this database of everybody. Everybody there is a database of where do you live, what's your name, where do you live?
[00:26:05] So if you match, and this is publicly available by the government, and if you match this list with another. hacked database of names with people that own Bitcoin, and that's why now Sweden from being one of the most of the safest countries in Europe, has become a nightmare. You don't wanna go there anymore because.
[00:26:23] Especially people there, they didn't, they don't even close the, they don't even lock the, the doors of their houses. so now it's like it's paradise for robbers and, and all the locals are, are going in. So, so the reason of not, of not wanting to, to say that you have Bitcoin is like privacy because you don't, you wanna protect yourself.
[00:26:40] So first of all, what you would like to do is say, I accept Bitcoin and then if I have, imagine I had Bitcoin and I need a session with you, I will text you.
[00:26:48] Hey Kim, we can, can we have a class? Can we have a session? I would like to pay you with that I know that it sounds difficult and, and nobody knows how to, how much it cost.
[00:26:57] This is just a start. If somebody has Bitcoin, they will tell you, alright, so give me your Bitcoin address. Oh, then you start learning
[00:27:04] Kym: what? Your Bitcoin
[00:27:05] Jordi: address. You need an address. You need an address. I know yet, and nobody needs to know until it's like, what is a bank account? we don't know what is this, un un until we have to have maybe our first job and, and our employer, employer ask us to, to give him a, a bank account.
[00:27:23] So this is normal. This is like the, the steps that you follow when you are wanna make money. And if if he, if you and, and him agree to maybe like, do like, I dunno, 10 sessions, 150. So then he buys you 1500 in, in Bitcoin. So he, he can tell you, okay, here you have the money all upfront. I don't know, whichever agreement.
[00:27:43] The same agreements that you're having now with Euros, or sorry, with dollars in Bitcoin. so the first thing that you would need is an address. And to get an address, you can download the wallet. There's so many things to learn about it. Just a wallet, a simple wallet,
[00:27:55] Kym: A Bitcoin wallet.
[00:27:56] Jordi: a Bitcoin wallet, no crypto, no nothing.
[00:27:59] There are many scams over there. So the problem with that is that so there is people that has Bitcoin that they want to spend, but not everybody's ready to accept it. So what I would say for small merchants, and if small, small entrepreneurs are hearing us small or not small, it doesn't matter, is that they can partner with other companies that are already accepting that.
[00:28:21] And I'm not American, but I know that in America you have Strike and Strike. It's the same place. So you, if you already have a, a strike account, you can say, receive Bitcoin and they will give you an address and. Through strikes, through strike. So that would be so simple for you. By no means
[00:28:38] Kym: of our, most of our um, the software we use with our clients, we call 'em EMRs. They, they already integrate with Stripe. Like most of us are already integrated with Stripe, so that,
[00:28:47] Jordi: not Stripe, but Strike.
[00:28:50] Kym: Oh, strike.
[00:28:51] Jordi: Strike.
[00:28:51] Kym: Okay. I thought
[00:28:52] Jordi: All right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, yeah. They, they're almost called the same. or maybe there are others, but, but I don't know, you know, I'm not in the us I, I'm not very, very knowledgeable about the us
[00:29:02] but yeah, so this is just the beginning, you know? And then once, once you got that Bitcoin, you can either use it to buy other stuff.
[00:29:08] For example, I go travel, I travel to Bitcoin circular economies. I was a couple of months ago in Uvita a, in Costa Rica, 400 merchants. Even the, the ladies selling watermelons in the street. With a QR code saying You can pay me in Bitcoin. Everybody accepts it there. So
[00:29:24] Kym: wild.
[00:29:25] Jordi: in the street, like a street, a street food truck, they accept it. You think that they know nothing about technology. It doesn't matter. They just have a QR code and they have the money there and they can use it. Or maybe if you don't understand it properly, at the end of the day, you can convert it to dollars and then you can, if you feel safer, you can move them to, to your bank account.
[00:29:43] But again, the reason I'm telling you all this. Is because the origin of the, of the of the pain or the pain point, the original point, point was no much having the US dollar bank account ceased. So the, the goal of Bitcoin is not going back to the dollar system, but, but staying in a parallel system. So at least, I'm not saying that you have to be always in dollars, always in Euros, always in Bitcoin.
[00:30:06] I'm, I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying that there are alternative options that may maybe. Depending who you are, you are interested in doing and not much. For some reason, they start and they start they started discovering. And that's why in our, in Satlantis, in our data, in our platform, you can filter by restaurants that accept Bitcoin the same way, the same way that you can filter by vegan, carnivore, seed, oil free, I dunno, Japanese.
[00:30:34] So there are many filters over there. And. There is one thing that we still haven't implemented, but it's part of this open protocol is that I imagine you, you, you wanted to promote your services. If you offer me a, a free session, it will be a good promotion for you and I, but nobody else is gonna see, you cannot post this because it's confidential between you and I.
[00:30:51] But, you could maybe share a video of you, a 15 second video of you telling what do you do in these sessions? So. in social networks. In social media platforms, normally people do that and they post, we share. So in this platform, this protocol that we're using, if we like what you posted,
[00:31:08] Kym: Mm-hmm.
[00:31:08] Jordi: I as a random consumer of your video, I can send you money through Bitcoin.
[00:31:13] It's, a tip only to only to that video. So imagine you post 10 videos. This is a way for you to learn a little bit more about the interests of your audience because if I, if I give you a like. Like it's worthless. So it costs, it costs me nothing. How are you gonna value it? But if I can send you fi a $5 tip for a video, then you know that you should be doing this type of content in your private session, for example.
[00:31:37] Kym: Yeah. That's so interesting. Gosh, my mind is just reeling. There's a lot of nuances because, you know, I mean, in the US I guess, you know, if you transfer money to a Bitcoin wallet, still gotta pay taxes on it somehow.
[00:31:50] Jordi: All right, so this is another topic. Taxes. We we're all responsible of our own taxes, but nomads, sometimes they don't have a place to pay taxes because they have no ones.
[00:32:00] Kym: yeah,
[00:32:01] Jordi: So it it, it depends. It depends on the person.
[00:32:04] Kym: it's interesting the, the country and the person and their country of origin and all that, it gets real complicated, but I would imagine if you've got a Bitcoin wallet after that initial transfer of money into it, nobody really knows what you're doing with it, I guess
[00:32:18] Jordi: It depends how you do it depends how you do it. if this wallet is part of a a regulated entity in the us, of course you'll be under the scrutiny of the IRS.
[00:32:27] So it depends. There are people that are building their own wallets. I have wallets in from from France that they created them themselves. So they are by no means connected to any government.
[00:32:36] It's just because it's open source. Anybody can build on it.
[00:32:38] Kym: Yeah. Oh, that is so interesting. Oh my gosh.
[00:32:42] Jordi: So interesting.
[00:32:43] Kym: Yeah, I, I mean, I look at it all the time. I actually bought some Bitcoin a long time ago and it was like through some app and eventually the app got hacked somehow
[00:32:52] Jordi: Yeah.
[00:32:52] Kym: my, they got my Bitcoin money.
[00:32:54] Jordi: This will happen. This will happen always. If you buy I don't wanna be, I don't wanna sound negative here, or, or pessimist. This is how hackers work. if you build a big tool and this tool is an exchange and everybody's buying Bitcoin there, and then you become so popular, then all the hackers will be trying to crack into that database.
[00:33:14] Because the reward is so, So juicy that they would like to, to participate. So if anybody's listening to me and it's the first time that they hear Bitcoin, I don't recommend anyone to get into Bitcoin. I'll just say study.
[00:33:26] dedicate maybe 10 hours. After you dedicate 10 hours, you might be curious and maybe you dedicate 100 hours.
[00:33:33] And maybe after that you start thinking, is this for me? So this is the path, right? So slowly, slowly, slowly, a lot of nuances.
[00:33:41] Kym: And you actually go to Bitcoin, like world conferences. This is part of
[00:33:44] Jordi: Yes.
[00:33:45] Kym: your conference circuit that you do. Okay?
[00:33:47] Jordi: the, the next one is BTC Prague. The end of June, if anybody's in Prague come say, hi. We have a, a big booth there. We, the, the whole team will be speaking on the main stage. We're gonna make some announcements about Satlantis because. This type of audience is the audience that we have in our platform, like Freedom Seekers, and they wanna find other freedom seekers like themselves, like-minded people.
[00:34:10] How can I do this? How can I do that? How can I find my real freedom? How can I escape? We, we met people a couple of years ago. I was in Korea, in South Korea, and I met North Koreans that escaped the oppressive regime. Of North Korea, at least from their point of view. Of course, if you ask somebody inside there, they will say that it's not oppressive at all.
[00:34:29] So I met these type of people that they're looking for freedom and the only way they had to escape was running away like that. There's like this river. So they, they had to be almost naked and they couldn't bring anything with them. So the only way that they could leave the country with some wealth was with Bitcoin because they memorized.
[00:34:50] This password and with this password, then you can get it back. You, you, it's, it's such a wall. So this is, this is the type of people that, that I see when I go to this conference. It's nothing about trading, nothing about being rich quick schemes. The Bitcoin conferences is like mostly about freedom seekers
[00:35:10] Kym: That's amazing.
[00:35:11] Jordi: and.
[00:35:12] Kym: I, I mean, there are always these people that somehow get into my Facebook groups and they're like, all of a sudden they're posting spamming. Like, you know, I'll, I'll help you buy Bitcoin. You know, all of a sudden
[00:35:21] Bitcoin, I don't know what they are. I kick 'em out as soon as I figure out what they're doing, but they're all over the place, you know?
[00:35:26] So
[00:35:27] Jordi: and, and you don't know if they're real.
[00:35:28] Kym: bad reputation. Yeah.
[00:35:30] Jordi: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's, that's what I don't like to use the word Bitcoin so much, even though in this conf in this call, we've been talking about it for a while, but because, because people that never heard it before, they associate it with negative connotations that because these bad actors, the ones that are getting into your groups are making people believe that this is what it is. So, yeah, be careful. Be careful of their,
[00:35:51] Kym: interesting. gosh. So if, if I go to Satlantis and I wanted to like follow you
[00:35:57] how about I follow you? Do you have like a profile name or
[00:36:00] Jordi: yes. Just go to Satlantis.io/jordi. like it's written down, down here slash Yeah, that's, and this is like something easy that we've built because normally if you would like to follow me, it would be lantis io slash zero one, a, b, C, blah, blah, blah. And this is, this is because this open source protocol.
[00:36:21] So once you're there, follow me there. Message me there. I'm available. My goal is to build this tool for nomads. And at the moment we are, when I say we, like with the, the building, the, the initial team is available and we are going to all these conferences because we want to build a networking tool for nomads built by nomads.
[00:36:41] And that's why we're still in beta. That's why we are so approachable and that's why even, I dunno when this will be air, maybe, if
[00:36:49] Kym: three or four weeks probably. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
[00:36:51] Jordi: so, maybe during, for, for that time. We will probably have announced that so I can, I can say it. Here we are because we are so open, because I'm going and traveling to so many places and normally I'm asking people to help me for free.
[00:37:03] It's like, okay, Kim, do you have some feedback? So what we're gonna do is we are gonna open a crowdfunding campaign. So now the moments that will parti that are interested in helping us can also be equity owners of our platform.
[00:37:15] And again, be careful with that big disclaimer. We are a startup. Investing in startup is complicated. It's hard, it's super, super risky. And this will be a crowdfunding comp compare campaign for non-accredited investors, meaning anyone would be able to invest from $250.
[00:37:31] Be careful. But the idea is that because I've been asking so much for free for our audience, it's now it's like, okay, you've been giving us, now it's our time to give back. and this will be an announced, by the time this is air, it will already be announced in, in BTC Prague, which is our big milestone this year.
[00:37:46] So yeah, follow Follow me, reach out to me, talk to me, give, gimme feedback. I'll be here for you guys, and if you are entrepreneurs like you came that I know use it to your advantage. Post your pictures, post pictures of your practice, of your office, of your success, success, ex examples in the cities that you are offering your services.
[00:38:05] And if you have a practice, add it on the map because you can add things on the map and, and you can. Use it to, to generate business. It's a, it's a social network. The idea is to connect with like-minded people, but that, as I said before, it's not only to make friends, we can also make business.
[00:38:21] Kym: That's amazing. How interesting.
[00:38:23] Thank you so much. Thanks for coming today
[00:38:26] Jordi: A pleasure.
[00:38:27] Kym: they can find you on Satlantis. How, how else can people find you if they're looking for
[00:38:30] Jordi: You can find me on Twitter as well, Look for Jordi Llonch Satlantis, and I'm on LinkedIn, I'm on Twitter, I'm on Satlantis. I'm on Facebook as well, just with my name.
[00:38:41] Kym: Nice. thank you so much for taking the time today. It was really interesting hearing about everything you're doing.
[00:38:46] Jordi: It's been a pleasure, Kim. Thank you for keeping, keep doing this uh, uh, amazing podcast and keep, keep doing it. I'll, I'll be happy to keep listening to them.
[00:38:53] Kym: Thank you so much.