Creating a healthy relationship takes more than just love—it takes intention, shared values, and a willingness to grow together. If you’ve ever wondered how to navigate connection while building a life and business side-by-side, you’ll love this conversation.
In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, I chat with therapist Theresa Hubbard about how she and her partner Walker built a life around retreats, podcasting, and emotional growth—while still prioritizing their own relationship. We explore how creating a healthy relationship became the heart of the work they now share with others.
In This Episode, We Explore…
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Transcript:
[00:00:00] Kym: Hi everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Traveling Therapist podcast. Really excited today to have our guest. She has such a cool story. She was just kind of filling me in before I hit record.
[00:00:08] Theresa Hubbard is here with us. Theresa's a therapist, and she's got some other things going on too that I can't wait to jump into. But Theresa, I always start this out and just say, how'd you go from being a typical therapist to a traveling therapist?
[00:00:22] Theresa: Sure. Well, I went to Oregon and, and there was just this experience really in my body of like, wow, this feels so peaceful for me. And it really was that, that was the beginning, and I went there for a retreat.
[00:00:36] the retreat was lovely, but really it was the place and then just kept going back and exploring. I mean, I love exploring wherever. I mean, I'll, I travel. I mostly do cash pay, so it's easy for me to do remote work. But Oregon spoke to me and so I'm between here, Missouri, which is where I am, grew up raised, my main practice is here.
[00:00:59] And then Oregon really became, I don't know, like my second home. And so, we bought a place out there four years ago, and then we actually just bought another home last November that we are remodeling that.
[00:01:13] We will have retreats at, we do retreats here in Missouri. but we also will do retreats out there. It's a, you know, under those huge tall trees next to the water and the mountains, it just, it's just beautiful. Yeah.
[00:01:26] Kym: we traveled, we spent a month in Bend I loved it out there. It was so pretty. And
[00:01:31] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:01:32] Kym: where was the other place? Medford? Just
[00:01:33] Theresa: Oh.
[00:01:34] Kym: Medford. It was so pretty. We were like, we might have to come back here one day. We end up in the weirdest places. It's like, how do we end up in Medford for two weeks? We just drive until we're tired and then we get an Airbnb and
[00:01:44] Theresa: Right, right. We do that too, Kim. We do that too. It's kind of like, let's just turn down that road and see what's here. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
[00:01:53] Kym: That's the funnest way to do it, I think, in my opinion. And then Missouri, we ended up in this cute little town called Roche Port. I guess that's how you pronounce it. Roche Port
[00:02:01] Theresa: Oh, yes. It's closer to,
[00:02:03] Kym: little town.
[00:02:04] Theresa: mm-hmm.
[00:02:05] Kym: winery. We stayed in Airbnb and like right down the road was this little winery and they had like a, this long bike trail. It was so cute
[00:02:11] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:02:11] Kym: bringing back memories.
[00:02:12] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:02:13] Kym: thank you for sharing that. I love that. That's really cool to show that you can just kind of be in both places and make that work with your business and everything. So you are a therapist, but what I'd love to talk about is you also have a podcast and you have a partner that you've kind of gone into business with. So I, I would love
[00:02:30] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:02:30] Kym: what's that like and, you know, are you guys working that out? And then of course, what you're putting out into the world. I'd love to talk about that too, so everybody listening can know more about it.
[00:02:39] Theresa: Yeah, so for me the, the name of the podcast is called My Inner Knowing, and we started just audio and then we had a lot of feedback from people that they wanted to see. Walker and I Interact with each other. They didn't just wanna hear us. And so we actually moved to video. So YouTube's our primary platform.
[00:02:58] I mean, we're on Spotify and Apple and all the things, but but YouTube obviously is where our, main video library is. And for me, the, my inner knowing came from a retreat that I did 16 years ago where. Part of the lesson was I listened to and follow my inner knowing. And so as a clinician, I feel like often that's what we're trying to help people learn, right?
[00:03:23] Like, who am I? What do I want? What, you know, what's important to me? What do I value? And so that's really what the, my inner knowing came from. And I knew in my relationship with Walker that. The way that we put effort into our relationship every day. 'cause that was really when he, expressed to me that he cared for me and I was like, I don't think you. Like, know what my expectations of relationship are.
[00:03:49] Kym: Lemme break it down to you
[00:03:52] Theresa: that's right,
[00:03:52] Kym: involved too far.
[00:03:54] Theresa: that's right. So like our first big talk really was that, which was I have pretty high expectations. I don't need anybody. I would love. A relationship that is important to me, but I have to be in relationship with someone who will put effort in every day. Every day, doesn't have to be perfect, messy.
[00:04:12] One of, I mean, we have t-shirts that says it's messy. One says, we are so complex, right? Like it's really this like awareness that regardless, you know, our humanness, our story, Are we sick? You know, are, are our parents sick? Or is a child sick? Right? Like, life is complex. And so what I was continually aware of as our relationship, 'cause right now we've been in,
[00:04:36] seven, eight years. Is that. Both of us just keep putting effort in and healthy relationship is really the most important thing to us. Life goal, healthy relationship. And so I just said to him several years ago I really feel like it would be helpful for people to hear us. Interact and he was like, nobody wants to listen to us.
[00:04:59] And I was like, well, I hear you, but you know, I do this all day, every day. And I we don't have a lot of good models of, of the messy, like we get a lot of instruction we can, but, but being willing to risk showing it.
[00:05:14] Kym: Yeah.
[00:05:14] Theresa: think is is different. Not talk about it. I mean we talk about it too, but we really are demonstrating it.
[00:05:20] And so I had brought it up again in 2023 and he said, okay, let's do it. And so we started out his audio and then got the feedback for video. We added the video last fall and. We do have guests on as well. It started out like every other week, but now it kind of just depends on, you know, what we have to talk about.
[00:05:43] We we're wanting to talk about, and it's a wide variety of guests. So they're not, some of them are clinicians, some of them are not clinicians. Some have written books, some have not written books. There's one with one of my kids that is. Wonderful and lovely. And he, and he is, and he is very willing to be open emotionally about his experience, you know, as a person, but also like as my son.
[00:06:06] And so, and then Walker and I talk about hard things. Parts of us, you know, that are growing. Like, we're actively in the process of trying to grow.
[00:06:17] And it's not always easy.
[00:06:20] Kym: Yeah,
[00:06:20] Theresa: Um,
[00:06:21] Kym: I'm, I'm sitting here envisioning me and my partner, Ken, if we were to do this. That would be so interesting. I just, it, it's so brave because I think we're pretty healthy, but, you know, there's things
[00:06:31] Theresa: Yeah. About. God. And say, people are gonna hate me. And I'm like, no, babe. Actually, they appreciate your willingness to be this vulnerable. Like this is, like, what you're doing is so brave. I mean, I get to practice this right, every day, all day. And he does as a trial attorney, but in a very different way. Right. And so what he loved about it initially, Kim, was really that when we started recording the podcast, it was this very dedicated, uninterrupted, like sensory deprivation.
[00:07:05] Like we're just immersed in each other really. And he really loved that uninterrupted time.
[00:07:13] So I think that is kind of like what kept him going initially. And then it was then he started getting feedback from people himself just about how helpful it was and how. His willingness to step in was inspiring women actually to risk being in relationship again.
[00:07:34] And that was so shocking to him to have that awareness that his vulnerability was really that impactful. Both on men and women. and it is interesting, you know, that we have a huge young male population that our audience and so there's, you know, obviously whatever it is, is appealing to people and it really is a modeling that we're doing. I mean, we do, again, talk about it, but we're really, are, we're in it, you know?
[00:08:02] Kym: It makes me think about, I was watching this is so cheesy, but my sister, I was at my sister's house just visiting her and she was like, what should we watch? And we were like, let's binge watch. Love is Blind and we, I don't know if you've ever seen this, but it's like, men and women that are like talking through a wall basically.
[00:08:15] They can't see each other until like they propose. So it's, it's like reality television. but the men are so vulnerable and, open. And she even said to me, she was like, are men like this? 'cause we've both been in long-term relationships and our guys are pretty great, like, are men even like this?
[00:08:30] And we were both like really shocked by it. So here you say that it just, makes me think about just last week watching Love is Blind and, and just being really surprised actually to see men being so vulnerable because there is such a stigma and
[00:08:41] Theresa: Right.
[00:08:41] Kym: to my clients that are trying to date and they're just like, there's no good men out there, you know, so I'm sure it's very refreshing.
[00:08:48] Theresa: It is refreshing and you know, if you, choose to listen to my son's episode, it's called Extra Pickles. He was 21 when we recorded that last year. And, you know, and that's all three of my boys. I have four children. But they obviously grew up with me being very curious, you know, and sharing a lot.
[00:09:04] And, and Walker's been a really great influence in their life since he came in as well. You know, really reaffirming that it's. Good and safe and healthy, you know, to be vulnerable and authentic. You don't have to be performative to be loved um, that you really can just be you. But yeah, I work with a lot of young men too.
[00:09:24] I mean, I had a client this morning with an 18-year-old, and it just is. I mean, and I've worked with him on and off the last few years, and just to watch his growth in that and his desire. As he steps into college in the fall to be, like I just said, you know, you have this opportunity to be you
[00:09:41] all the story of grade school, middle school, high school. Like it can, fall behind. You know, who do you wanna be?
[00:09:47] And he said, I wanna be kind, be caring. I mean, it makes me emotional, like thinking about it, right? He said, I want people, when they say, who is that? They can say. He is a really nice guy
[00:10:00] and it just is like, yes. I mean there are, I just don't think, yes, I don't think our media really does a good job of, you know, showing us this desire for that.
[00:10:13] But I can see it in our following. I mean, when the majority of our audience is male
[00:10:19] and between the ages of 18 and 45. Internationally, like that's a big message. Yeah.
[00:10:28] Kym: that. Yeah. That's
[00:10:29] Theresa: Yeah. And so it's there. So it's just like, how do we help them get where they're trying to go?
[00:10:35] Kym: That's amazing.
[00:10:36] Theresa: We love it.
[00:10:37] Kym: Oh, I love it too. It's, it's fantastic. Now, but before we hit record, you're telling me that. The podcast was born, this other piece, so I would love to talk about that. 'cause it's so interesting to me that you took it even further
[00:10:53] Theresa: Sure.
[00:10:53] Kym: doing, which is amazing.
[00:10:54] Yeah.
[00:10:55] Theresa: So thank you. so last year we kept getting feedback from people that they wanted to, know more about how to, get in their relationship, what Walker and I demonstrate. And so what I actually did is I analyzed all of our podcast and pulled out. What I felt like were the most significant things that we do to reinforce healthy relationship and again, healthy relationship being our number one life goal.
[00:11:26] And then we, I cr I created the structure for a course to demonstrate those 10 things. And so Walker and I. Recorded like an hour long video on each of those topics. And then it is, and it's a deep dive course. It's, you know, journal prompts to really help you learn more about yourself in relationship.
[00:11:49] Our resistance that we have in relationship the competitiveness, that piece that comes up in a relationship. And then exercises. So we have like bigger, you know, exercises, like something you're gonna work on over time. but then there's also what we call micro challenges, which are just things that we can do every day to help us get to that.
[00:12:12] Place. And so ultimately, so that we can create more safety with each other, and it doesn't have to be our intimate partner, it really is any relationship that we value that we want to put effort into every day. so it's a, it's like. It's a big course. You know, it would, I would say the people that have started taking it, because we, Walker and I did some reviews last week, just curious how people were experiencing it and everything was so positive.
[00:12:40] They all were. Like, one module a month is probably enough. You know, like, don't do more than 45 minutes at a time because what you're learning about yourself is so deep. You really need time to integrate it. And so, that was a powerful experience for us. You know, when we got done creating it, Walker said, I think I need to take the course and.
[00:13:04] Kym: He's like, wait, what all do we say in this
[00:13:06] Theresa: Right. That's right. It sounds really amazing. And I was like, well, it, it is. And that we will always be growing. We will always be growing. I mean, we're human. It's so funny. People say, I can't imagine that you and Walker argue. And I was like, oh yeah, we argue. It's just that we have spent a lot of time practicing skills that they're not as frequent,
[00:13:28] they're not as intense. They don't last as long. You know? We can, more quickly see each other sooner than later. Yeah.
[00:13:38] Kym: we're doing that thing again.
[00:13:40] Theresa: yeah. Yeah. I'm afraid. You're afraid, right?
[00:13:44] Kym: Exactly, Oh
[00:13:45] Theresa: Yeah,
[00:13:46] Kym: So would you, do like a high touch of the categories? 'cause I, I found it so interesting when you're telling me that like the different.
[00:13:52] Theresa: Categories.
[00:13:53] Kym: and I guess it's not based on any other model.
[00:13:55] This is your model that
[00:13:56] Theresa: This is just ours
[00:13:57] Kym: together. So
[00:13:58] Theresa: together.
[00:13:59] Kym: kind of hearing that. Yeah.
[00:14:01] Theresa: So the first one's called the Art of Deep Listening. it's really about true presence with each other and what, does that look like for us, but also what does it look like for you? You know, when do you feel most listened to, what does it feel in your body for you to feel listened to?
[00:14:19] So we're really trying to create this embodied experience where, you know, what it feels like in each of these categories so that it's easier for you to access. And so it's not just cognitive, there's a lot of body and emotion awareness that we're building, speaking the truth, but with heart.
[00:14:38] Learning how to be authentic and vulnerable, but kind at the same time. Learning to be more curious. So questions that build bridges. So in genuine curiosity we talk about that. You know, when you can ask somebody a question and it can sound curious, but it's not really curious. So.
[00:14:56] Kym: can relate to that. There's like an ulterior motive, right?
[00:14:59] Theresa: Right, right. So then we'll demonstrate like a question. Like this is what it looks like when you're genuinely curious and this is what it looks like when we're not genuinely curious, the exact same words. And then owning our choices. So accepting responsibility. And, but that's about healing together, if we can both accept our part.
[00:15:19] Obviously being willing to really look at ourself. Then the, the power of playfulness. You know, like what does that look like for each couple? 'cause it's not going to be the same. The power of our story, like what is our story, our true story, not the story that we tell. You know, when people ask us, but really what's driving us?
[00:15:39] And then what we call the wonder of knowing others, which is if we really can be interested in relationship with other people, how much our world expands and how much more likely we are to get our needs met If we can turn into this, like people are interesting as opposed to frustrating.
[00:15:57] It can be frustrating too, but, but really the wonder of knowing others and then learning how to, what we call silent connection, which is not avoidance. It's really about silent, but present. Like how can we really be with each other and hold space for each other in silence. Not feel abandoned.
[00:16:16] and then, you know, being grateful.
[00:16:18] What does being grateful look like? What does it sound like? What does it feel like? And then ultimately it's really leading to what we call the, the last module, which is holding space for hard conversations. And so Walker and I demonstrate, you know, through the podcast episodes as well. What does that look like for us to have a hard conversation?
[00:16:41] because it's not like, you know, when you're watching us on YouTube, I mean, you can see our body language, you can see our facial expressions, you can see the tears, you can see all of it and so we're really modeling like how to stay in it and nothing's scripted. I mean, it's all like, what are we talking about today?
[00:17:00] And then we just start talking so those are, you know, like, I mean, you would see it on the episode, which is where he's like, okay, I wanna ask you something and this is gonna be hard. Are you open for that? You know, and I'm like always open for it. It doesn't mean it's gonna be easy, but I always want the hard conversation because if I don't always want the hard conversation, then.
[00:17:22] The one of us is stuck. Right. so it doesn't mean it's always right then, but both of us prepare to be in this space when we're recording. You know what I mean? Like we don't,
[00:17:33] Kym: Like, I'm gonna be vulnerable. I'm, I'm here for it. Like that. Whatever comes up, we're doing this. Like that kind of thing.
[00:17:39] Theresa: right. Exactly. Yeah. we're ready. Even if we don't know exactly where it's gonna go and we've built a trust in each other that you know that, we're not doing this to, prove anything to each other or to anybody. We, we really just hope that our willingness helps people feel like they have permission to do it too.
[00:17:59] Kym: That's so genuine and authentic. You know, I'm sure that's why people love your podcast. That's amazing.
[00:18:05] Theresa: Thanks.
[00:18:06] Kym: before, just so brave to just be like, okay, and to trust each other. I mean, to know that you guys have a good enough relationship that you can, whatever's gonna come up, y'all both have the emotional regulation skills and, all of that to make sure you're gonna get through it okay.
[00:18:19] And not damage each other or, whatever. Look, embarrassed or whatever it would be to the whole world watching you, you know.
[00:18:26] Theresa: Embarrassing.
[00:18:28] We're willing to put that out there too, right? cause we don't edit. I mean, we ate it out the beginning and we edit out the end, but we don't take the messy out, you know, like me wiping my nose or taking a drink or whatever. Like, it just is what it is. Yeah.
[00:18:42] Kym: inspiring me because Many times I've been like, maybe I should just have Ken on this podcast with me to talk
[00:18:47] Theresa: Mm-hmm.
[00:18:48] Kym: like. Just traveling together, working in the same house, moving to an Airbnb every other week or whatever. then I get that like, Ooh, I don't know. if I wanna do that, but
[00:19:00] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:19:00] Kym: it.
[00:19:01] Theresa: Yeah. We have, we have to be willing for whatever to come out. Whatever comes out of their mouth. Comes out of their mouth. Right. Right. Mm-hmm.
[00:19:09] Kym: Yeah, exactly. You never know with him. So like, oh, I don't know. I could edit if I wanted to, I guess.
[00:19:15] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:19:16] Kym: But I, I love, that you're doing that. I'm like, I really wanna go listen to your podcast now. 'cause it just sounds so interesting to me that it's just like real and raw and no editing and all of that. I think that's really cool. And then like, being a therapist, do you, market this to your clients?
[00:19:30] 'cause that comes up a lot, right? with
[00:19:31] Theresa: sure.
[00:19:32] Kym: that have other income streams and that sort of thing. It's like. you know, do I talk about my products? Where's that line between like, you're my paying client versus I've got products to sell you.
[00:19:40] Theresa: Right.
[00:19:41] Kym: curious, like, how do you walk that line and,
[00:19:44] Theresa: Mm-hmm.
[00:19:44] Kym: with your clients?
[00:19:45] Because I
[00:19:45] Theresa: Sure.
[00:19:46] Kym: want your advice. They probably see you on social media and, and the
[00:19:49] Theresa: Yeah, for sure, Kim. And what I would say, you know, for Walker and I, there is always. finding the line for us in what we charge for things like, I feel like I have enough. so financially I feel like I have enough. I feel like my practice, I have enough,
[00:20:05] and doing a podcast has a lot of costs that may not always seem easy to see. But that's how important it is to me because we really haven't monetized anything. The amount of that we have invested into doing this just to help people has been significant. And so for me, when I, when I do, and I, and I don't bring it up often, but I do have plenty of clients that listen and what they always say is, it's free therapy.
[00:20:33] I mean, they're like, it's not any different than listening to you except Walker's with you, which they said is really interesting for them. Because when we're in a room with someone and we're having these conversations. It's just the two of us, right?
[00:20:49] There's a certain amount of our body as the client, right? That's still protecting ourself because of our own story, our shame, our guilt, our regret, our fear of not being good enough. And so our clients, to some degree, are still protected we're in, they're in the room with us, even if they know us really, really well.
[00:21:10] 'cause even if they know us really, really well. Their abandonment stuff is still there. Right. And they can still have fear. Even if we have built a good relationship, they can still have fear that if I tell them this, they will abandon me. Right?
[00:21:24] So when Walker and I talk about those exact same things, but they're not in this place of protection because they're not the spotlight,
[00:21:36] it hits them very differently because they're, in this place where they're able to take it in, but have their own experience around it. Right. Where they can process it, integrate it, and then come in and talk about it. I mean, that happens often. Like, oh, I was listening to you and Walker talk, and I was like, oh my gosh. You know?
[00:21:56] And I was thinking, you know,
[00:21:58] Kym: Yeah.
[00:21:59] Theresa: and so people, it just is, there's a less threatening about it. but it's me. I mean, I, who I am in the room and who am I? I am on the podcast, is the same person.
[00:22:08] Kym: That's so cool though. I mean, 'cause like I've had many therapists over the years and I always am like, okay, yeah, but how are they in their relationship? Right. You know, you always kind of like have that
[00:22:17] Theresa: Right.
[00:22:17] Kym: like yeah, but are they a mess when they're not here? You
[00:22:19] Theresa: What.
[00:22:20] Kym: kind of thing. At least for me, I don't know if everybody does that, but to be able to hear you be so like, open with it and, and for a client to know that part of their therapist, I would think is like a whole other level of like. I guess you
[00:22:35] Theresa: It is. And for sure when they come on retreat too, because Walker and I facilitate retreats together and then for them to see us then over a four day period,
[00:22:44] sustain that over a four day period, they're like, wow, like this is really who you are. And I'm like, but this is work. I mean, this is effort. We didn't get here.
[00:22:56] Because of magic, right? Like we, like this really requires the goal of healthy relationship. And then in regards to the course, we priced it. Really reasonably again. Yeah. So it's $197 for 10 modules that will take you a year to go through. And that, you know, again, it really just is so, from a marketing perspective, not hard for me because it's either free or it's pretty accessible.
[00:23:24] It's, that's not accessible for everybody. But you know, we have all the payment options for people that wanna do all those, you know, things that are on, 'cause we, we, right now we're, we do it through Kajabi. So for me, I don't feel like I am asking more from them. I really am like, you know, that course, if you really wanna work that course, I mean, that's probably three or four years worth of therapy.
[00:23:48] But you have to be doing it with someone who is really willing to be on this path with you, even if it's your sister or your brother or your parent or you know, but someone who, when you're like, okay, help me see the things about myself that I don't see, and who are, going to do their best to give you honest feedback. Right. So.
[00:24:09] Kym: And then I guess the supplemental part to that is you do offer retreats. You just touched on it a little bit, but, so you
[00:24:15] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:24:16] Kym: then offer retreats that you can go and do the work in vitro or whatever you wanna call it,
[00:24:20] Theresa: Right.
[00:24:21] Kym: an incubator
[00:24:22] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:24:23] Kym: it's the same coursework, that kind of thing. And
[00:24:25] Theresa: No, that is different actually. So because Walker and I are always going on retreat ourself throughout the year and doing our work, our personal work constantly, whether it's separately or together the retreat then is really, I mean, I've been facilitating retreats since 2011.
[00:24:44] and then Walker joined me about five years ago as a facilitator, and he is very good. He's very kind, he's very compassionate, he's very curious. we are similar, but we are very different in regards to that engagement. It's a really nice balance. So It's really like the one that we did in March.
[00:25:04] I'm trying to think what we called it. They're very experiential. It's different every time. Every retreat is where we are now. Every retreat is where, what does it seem like people are needing right now?
[00:25:18] Kym: mm
[00:25:18] Theresa: And then we take all of our experience, you know, him as a trial lawyer, me as a mental health professional, the two of us in our personal work, and we create it for that retreat.
[00:25:28] but it's all about. Self-growth. It's all about learning how to trust ourself in all the different ways. And Once the other house in Oregon is done, we will just have retreats where people can come and just be, and we can hold just nice space for each other and it not be as structured.
[00:25:48] But our retreats are work. Overall. I mean, if you're coming, I mean, it'll tell you, like, this is like we're holding space for you, but you're gonna be glad you're leaving on Sunday because you're going to be tired because we don't wanna waste your time. We really want you to get somewhere. We want you to feel some shift so people don't normally leave our retreats.
[00:26:12] Like on a high, like, right, They're like, whew. That was a lot of work.
[00:26:16] Kym: Oh my gosh. Yeah.
[00:26:19] Theresa: okay, I've got, I've got lots to unravel here. but the growth piece of it is just substantial. When I think of different clients that have, you know, come three or four times over the last, 13, 14 years and to see their change over that period of time is just, it's tremendous.
[00:26:37] how much more brave, I mean, 'cause group work, man, it can be terrifying. You know how many people, like, I don't like groups. like I had terrible experiences with groups when I was in high school or college. I'm not, I don't wanna do that again. And then to go and have such a, you know, nurtured.
[00:26:54] Held experience where you really can step in and be vulnerable to is, it's amazing and we love it. I mean, it just is so rewarding for us too.
[00:27:03] Kym: Now, when people come to your retreats, do they bring a partner or like a, a sibling if they want to or somebody they're working on a relationship with, or it's
[00:27:10] Theresa: Or by themselves? They can do either. We have a mix. Yeah, we have a mix. Some people bring a partner, some people don't. We've had adult child, adult parent before too, as well. Yeah, And Walker and I cook all the meals and it's all, yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's really lovely.
[00:27:29] Kym: You guys don't like the best.
[00:27:32] Theresa: We enjoy each other. It's really nice. Yeah. Yeah,
[00:27:36] Kym: it's so interesting 'cause I guess if you two hadn't come together like this never would've happened. Like BA maybe with somebody else that you got into a relationship with or, you know, that's just so neat. I
[00:27:45] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:27:45] Kym: you guys were just meant to, to do this work together.
[00:27:48] It's just really cool to hear. Yeah.
[00:27:50] Theresa: it's funny, at this period of our life, right, because we talk like if we had met each other in our twenties, we probably wouldn't liked each other.
[00:27:57] We were in very different places in life, for sure.
[00:28:00] Kym: Oh my
[00:28:00] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:28:00] Kym: That's amazing. Well, so how do people find you if they wanna take your course or come to one of your retreats or listen to your podcast?
[00:28:07] Theresa: Yeah, so my inner knowing.com is our website, and then my inner knowing everywhere. You know, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, like I said, YouTube. Because that's where all of our episodes are. And I do record meditations too just because I believe in the power of them and not, you know, I start, I mean, it's, it's funny, interesting.
[00:28:29] But when I was 18, I went to a seminar with Brian Tracy, who's like a business mentor. I mean, I, he's probably 85 now, but I mean, that was 30. Seven years, four. So anyway, anyway, something like that years ago, and I bought his cassette tapes, the Psychology of Achievement then. And I would just listen to him on repeat in my car.
[00:28:52] And what was really interesting, Kim, is you know, when I became a therapist, people would say, how do you know that? And I'm like, I don't know. And then about 10 years ago, I re-listened to the cassette tapes and I was like, it was from listening to Brian Tracy when I was 18, 19, 20, 21 years old.
[00:29:08] Kym: cool.
[00:29:09] Theresa: Because there was an understanding of people that really started back then, but I didn't.
[00:29:15] I mean, I think it was always there. I've always been interested in people, but that repetitive piece of it so influenced me, and so I write meditations. Most of my meditations that have been published are actually in the course I'm working on doing ones that are just gonna be on the YouTube channel as well.
[00:29:32] You know, I'm somebody, I listen to a meditation every day, even if it's as I'm falling asleep. Because our brain and our body hears it whether we are asleep or not. 'cause I do, I do neurotherapy too. And so I love the brain and how we, you know, process and integrate information and our body still hears it.
[00:29:51] Even if we're asleep in some ways, even more deeply as we're transitioning from awake to asleep, because we go through this transition where we are most suggestible between awake and asleep. And so, that is just something that I've always done. And so that kind of repetitive piece of being like, what part of me is trying to grow right now?
[00:30:11] And so then I pick a meditation and for, you know, a month or two I'll listen to it, awake or asleep. Just reinforcing the message that I'm trying to work on. And so, yeah, we do meditations too, so there'll be more of those that are coming out. But that's, it's just fun. I love doing it. I love writing them.
[00:30:29] I love recording them. I love picking the video pictures for them. It's fun. so YouTube's our biggest, I would say biggest platform, but all the other standards, Spotify, apple,
[00:30:39] Kym: Well, I can't wait to check you out. Yeah. I go listen and learn all about you and Walker
[00:30:43] Theresa: Think
[00:30:44] Kym: every detail of your life now.
[00:30:47] Theresa: it's funny, I have I don't take many new clients anymore, but I had this woman that I took, she had had a, a tragedy and she said, I found you from your podcast. She goes like, I just feel like I know you and Walker.
[00:30:58] Kym: Aw. Yeah.
[00:30:59] Theresa: I was like, Aw. Which I think probably helped her step into even that level of vulnerability.
[00:31:04] She was willing to step into so quickly because I was familiar in some way to her.
[00:31:10] Yeah.
[00:31:11] Kym: I love that so much.
[00:31:12] Theresa: Yeah. Well, I love what you're doing.
[00:31:14] Kym: Well, thank you. And I, I, you know, I was just thinking, that's the interesting part 'cause I'll hop on calls with people like discovery calls or whatever and they'll be like, I feel like I already know you. 'cause I,
[00:31:22] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:31:22] Kym: I'm always just out there and it's
[00:31:24] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:31:24] Kym: an interesting thing, you know, 'cause especially just being a therapist, like I never thought I would be like talking about myself out there to people, like even on
[00:31:31] Theresa: Mm-hmm.
[00:31:32] Kym: sharing little details in my life.
[00:31:33] Like I just never thought I would. Be doing that and I am now, but yeah, so I could
[00:31:37] Theresa: Yeah.
[00:31:37] Kym: to what you're saying when people say stuff like that, it's like so cool. It's like, yeah, you probably do know because I'm all over the place.
[00:31:43] Theresa: right. helping people in all the different ways. Yeah.
[00:31:47] Kym: yeah, trying. Yeah. Doing our best. So thank you.
[00:31:49] I just, I found this conversation so interesting and everybody listening of course will have all this in the show notes and
[00:31:55] Theresa: Yeah,