123. Roads Less Traveled: A Therapist’s Tale of Van Life, International Dreams, and Finding Home with Steven Mollura

123. Roads Less Traveled: A Therapist’s Tale of Van Life, International Dreams, and Finding Home with Steven Mollura

In the latest episode of the Traveling Therapist Podcast, Kym Tolson reconnects with Steven Mollura, a returning guest whose journey encapsulates the dynamic lifestyle of a traveling therapist. Steven dives into the transitions he has navigated from apartment living to van life and back to having a stable home base while still embarking on adventures. He shares his experiences and lessons learned from living on the road, the logistics of maintaining a mobile practice, and his plans for an exploratory trip to Japan aimed at expanding his counseling services internationally.

Key Points:

  • Steven Mollura has transitioned from van life back to having a home base, continuing to integrate travel with his professional life as a therapist.
  • He discusses the challenges and exhilarations of mobile living, including the logistics of maintaining a therapy practice on the go.
  • Steven is planning a trip to Japan to potentially expand his therapy services internationally, reflecting on the preparatory steps and research involved in practicing overseas.

About Steven Mollura:

Steven is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor specializing in sexual health, fear and self-sabotage, and empowerment. He offers honest and open therapeutic support to help clients face the fears holding them back from the lives they want. He loves helping clients heal the shame, hurt, and anxiety around past trauma, unhealthy relationships, and toxic upbringings. Therapy with Steven involves deep collaboration to gain insight into personality, gain courage, work towards beneficial behavior changes, and reach goals.

Steven has worked in a variety of settings with a wide array of populations including psychiatric hospitals, substance treatment, palliative care, and private practice. He is a US Army Veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He also specializes in working with pissed-off men who can run towards gunfire but can’t tell their dad they love him. He is licensed in Pennsylvania and Florida and is offering telehealth counseling sessions only at this time.

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TRANSCRIPT:

00:00

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the traveling therapist Podcast. I'm excited today because we have a returning guest, Steven Melora. He was a guest on episode I think number 127, and I actually think this episode is probably like 118 or something like that. So we've had a lot of episodes in between, but I wanted Steven to come back to give us an update. I love doing these updates a couple years later to see where people are. Are you still a travel therapist? What are you doing? Are you still making work? So Steven, I'd love to have you introduce yourself and maybe just tell us a little bit about where you were and kind of where you are now and then, let's just chit chat about everything in between. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Kim, it's great to be back. I love being I love just talking with you and being on this podcast. But yeah, I've been a traveling therapist for, I believe, two years now. I believe so when we were meeting last time, I was doing a part time traveling therapy in my little, basically a little work van that had a bed in it. It was basically a minivan, and I've upgraded to a bigger van. I did full time traveling therapy for six months, and then I had a couple home bases in between with apartments and still doing adventures with the Sprinter van, and now I'm just in an apartment, and I'm doing a little bit more like you. I know you're doing Airbnbs and hotels and doing that kind of thing. I'm have a home base, and I've been doing small excursions from now on. So, okay, yeah, it's been a great series of adventures and a lot of transitions. Oh, my gosh, oh, okay, I have so many questions. Okay, so, so the van before was called Eloise. Am I remembering this correctly? I had a name that was the first one. So, so you sold Eloise, and do we have a name for the new van, or what the new van was? Sophia? So Eloise was a ram promaster city. You know what that looks like? It's just a small minivan. It was just big enough sleeping in. It was kind of like sleeping in a coffin, which is terrifying the first times, but you get used to it. And at a certain point it was actually after that trip to Costa Rica, there was a counseling conference down there where I saw you in person, which was great. I got Eloise the van, which was a Ford Transit medium roof, 1/3 degree base. It was like, going from a shoebox apartment to a bigger shoebox apartment. But it was like, it was like, you can definitely fit that.

02:36

Oh, wow, yeah. It was so wonderful being like, I have so much room. Like, this is amazing.

02:44

It was absolutely wonderful. Oh my gosh. Okay, so, so you still have that band. You got rid of the other one. You still have this one now that you travel in. So what does it look like? Because I remember you were like, was it Philadelphia? Where did you live before, where you were you were living, and then you're coming Pittsburgh, that's what it was. So you were in Pittsburgh, and you were like, really coming down to Florida, right? Because you had an apartment in Pittsburgh. So you were like, just taking these short little trips, I guess, to Florida and then going back to the home base up there, yes. So this was the short term or the part time van life. Was 20. What What year is it now? 2024 2022

03:24

was when I was doing part time van life. And I well, even, even 2020 the entire point was, I went down to St Petersburg for a trip. I saw this family living out of a sprinter van. They that was like, if they can do it, I can do it. And I started doing part time. So 22 and 22 is just doing these short trips back and forth, because I have friends in Orlando, and I just love Florida because sunlight, water, beautiful beaches, all that good stuff, exactly. So 2022 and then that Autumn, I decided I want to do full time. And I was at that point, I was like, Okay, I was really just burnt out with Pittsburgh, the lack of sunlight, and I don't want to, I don't want to knock Pittsburgh too much, but I was like the southlands were calling to me. So I pack up Eloise the van. January 12 is when I left. Okay? And 20? January 12. 2023,

04:17

and then, wow, did two months of living in Eloise, which was great. I was terrified, but it was awesome. And I just spent it mostly on the coast, meeting other van lifers, having adventures. And then at a certain point, I was like, I need a bigger van. So explored the options in 20 in February, 2023, end of February, I immediately bought a sprinter van traded in Eloise, which was, you know, there's a there was a little bit of tearing. Oh, hi, home. But like then I bought Sophia, the Ford Transit, and then continued to do that until June 11, 2023,

04:57

so actually, full six months.

05:00

On the road, having adventures, mostly between Daytona, Orlando, Miami, that was usually the triangle, but with a bunch of other places in between and outside, and going a little bit back and forth to Pittsburgh just to see family and have some adventures there. So it was absolutely great. So when you say terrifying, like, tell us about that. Oh, yeah, I like to hear that the dirty, the dirty, dark side of the stuff too, to tell the listeners, because everybody's like, Oh, Van life seems so cool. But what's the other side of it? Like that? You're talking about the scary part. So 2022, I was in an apartment with an older remain, who I've been living with for years. At this point, the old roommate from college, and, you know, we know each other on and off for as I'm trying to talk, I'm like, I'm going through the timeline, yeah, oh yeah, remember college? And I was like, no, no, so. But I was like, okay, decent apartments, but not really doing it for me. I didn't really like the area, and it was like, it was safe and stable, but it was boring, and I can kind of feel myself. I had a call to adventure. Yes, I totally get it. And it was killing me not doing it, even with the part time van life, it was like, This is great. This is wonderful. And my therapist at the time was like, Steve, you are always super happy every time you come back from a trip, and then a week later you are devastated because you're back here. Oh my gosh. So deciding to do full time and being like, Okay, I'm going to get rid of all of my stuff. I have an address. Get rid of, like, the stability and the people I know here for, you know, going off into the wild blue yonder. And I kind of knew some of the things, like, I knew I was going to experience some level of loneliness and homesickness and some difficulties, specifically, you know, hygiene, showering, keeping things clean, yes, eating all the, all the, all the, just the basic life stuff that's like, oh, you can do this, but it's going to be a different way of doing this.

07:08

So just going into that was definitely very strongly anxiety provoking. But yeah, I was very blessed because I hate Pittsburgh, and I hate Pittsburgh in winter, lack of sunlight and the cold was like, You need to go, Steve. That was, that was the fire under my butt, really pushing me forward. And I remember it was like, June. Oh no, it was January. I don't know it was leading up to January, and I'm like, I kept on getting pushed back because I was sick of covid and whatever. I need to leave. I need to leave. So when I finally did leave. It was such a relief just to hit the road. Oh, my God, a relief and scary at the same time. Like, I totally get that. It's like, this is gonna be awesome, but, oh my God, I don't I don't even have a house. Like, if I what, if I hate it, you know, like, all that stuff. Yeah, totally. That was what I kept on telling myself, logically, if I hate it, sell the vehicle, get an apartment. You're not that broke, you're not that you're not incapable. You're able to give a master's degree and run your own practice. You can do whatever you need to

08:10

do. Exactly, yeah, so I get it. Okay, so it was more of that kind of stuff I was thinking when you were saying scary, like, you know, sleeping in WalMart parking lots or, yeah, that is scary sometimes too, like that part terrifies me. When I see like, single women, like living in vans or in their cars, I'm like, that is so scary. I do not know how people do that. You could drive it across the country by yourself. Like, I don't know. It just freaks me out. But the ladies are courageous. And this is when I was still doing part time van life I met. Well, actually, this was before I did van life at all. I was in Orlando. It was, like, it was outside of Disney Springs, and I met this one girl in a parking lot of a speedway gas station. She was clearly in a Ford Transit Connect that was, like, geared up to be traveling van. And I just, I was annoyingly interrogative. I was like, what do you do? How do you keep yourself safe? And like, she went through the whole thing. It's like, oh, I'm I mean, you met me. No, no one probably wants to fight me. Yeah? It's like, okay, yeah, you can take care of yourself. And once you get used to it, like, be vigilant, but you don't have to be hyper vigilant about it, yeah? But yeah, that's there have been a few nights where I've been like, I might get shot through this van, yeah? Oh, see, that scares me a lot. It's like, what does somebody like, just comes to the band middle of the night trying to break into it, thinking you're not in there, you know? I guess I don't know. Do you have weapons? Like, what do you do about that? I did. I did actually sleep with the revolver under the it had the case so you can't accidentally fire on yourself. It's fine. I'm a big proponent of the Second Amendment, especially for women, be able to protect yourself. But no, I mean, especially when I was like, in Miami a few times, and I've been like, Miami's great.

10:00

I have nothing bad to say about Miami or Fort Lauderdale, but the biggest thing when you're in downtown Miami, it never gets quiet and, oh my god, people going back and forth. So it's like three in the morning and you're in this I was in this parking lot in South Beach, which I shouldn't have been on, but like, clearly, there's maybe not shady things going on, but just clearly a lot of people drinking in this parking lot at three in the morning. Just be careful. Yeah, sure, we could probably spend an hour just talking about all the different parking lots you've slept in.

10:36

Oh, oh, my god, yeah, that should be just the

10:41

reviews.

10:44

Steven's parking lot reviews. So you probably could do your own podcast on that. Anyway. Okay, so I interrupted you, because I think you were just telling your timeline. So you did the six months all the way to what was it? Did you say June 11? 20 Yeah, 23 okay. And then what happened? You just decided, Okay, I'm done. So my brother, little brother, love him to death. He bought a house. He was living in a condo with his wife. He bought a house, and he's like, Steve, can you be a tenant here for a little bit? And after six months of full time van life, I was like, great. So this will be wonderful. And I just told him, Hey, if you sell this condo. If I move in June 12, and you sell this thing june 13, I'll just pack up and leave it'll be nothing like do whatever you need to do. So I go up there, take over his rent for a little bit, and basically get stuck there.

11:35

Word so oh my gosh, yeah. But I still had Sophia the van, and I did some short trips. I went to Blue Ridge Rock Festival, which was like a three day camping thing. That was terrible

11:49

festival experiences I've ever had that's, I'll rant about that later, but I did that thing. I went down to Miami one on November. I had a couple other adventures here and there, just doing overnights little bit, but it was nice to have a home base. It was nice to have a shower. It was a nice

12:07

a few other things. And it was a little interesting, not because I got a little bit cursed. So, like I I worked out really hardcore one day, and then I spent, you know, four months in pain and having to do physical therapy because, oh gosh, right, and it's like, I'm glad I have a bed that doesn't Rob too much when with the actual with the actual van. Glad, you know, having, having the basics, is very, very nice when you are little in pain or you get sick. So, that was but once again, I got stuck in Pittsburgh during the winter,

12:47

certain point again. So that fall, I decided, You know what, and between rents, the expenses, and I was living in a city with a splinter van, yeah, Appalachia, where

13:06

it's not very conducive to a giant truck van. So I decide, hey, I'm just going to do this differently. I instead, I trade in the Sprinter van Oh, or a Toyota rav4 and once again, I was like, bye, Sophie, a little bit of tear.

13:24

But

13:26

now I'm decide to go back to Florida. This time I start with Daytona, actually, because Daytona is nice, yeah, I get a short term lease in a kind of mixed unit. It's like, half hotel, half apartments, half

13:44

Oh, Wow, interesting. Three halves makes

13:48

sense. I had like, a six month lease, but I only stayed two it was so bad. It was like, Okay, I just need to move down the road. Now I'm in an actual apartment further down. This is my permanent place in quotation marks, but I'm still doing adventures around here. I'm doing overnights. It was just in Tampa yesterday, so the three hour drive two days ago, then three hour drive back simple two weeks ago was in Miami. And, you know, I'm still able to travel and have adventures and see people, but now I just have a home base, which I can actually have furniture in, yes, and it's in Florida, and, you know, don't have to worry about the winters anymore. In Pittsburgh, no more winter. I'd never want to see snow again. I understand. Yeah, I totally get it.

14:31

Somehow we ended up in Sun Valley, Idaho for, like, it was supposed to be three weeks, but we shortened it because it was, like, 36 degrees. It was snowing in mid May.

14:42

I'm like, how do we get here? The person that is cold, like when it's 76 outside, I don't know how we're here, but it's beautiful there. If anybody ever wants to go, but it's it's too cold for me. But anyway, I can't

14:57

either. Oh my gosh. And so cold.

15:00

We don't have to, you know, just to say that we don't have to, we could be wherever we want to be, which is amazing. The coolest thing about this lifestyle, I think, and take our practices with us. Because I was my I was seeing my brother yesterday in Tampa, because he travels for work. I saw my clients in the morning, hung out with him for lunch. We had a split after that, but it was absolutely great to, you know, get the time, and we have he's, he's usually 1000 miles away from me, and still be able to make money, do my own thing, run my practice,

15:30

absolutely, yeah, I couldn't agree more. Okay, so I want to switch gears a little bit, because I know that you're planning a big trip. I'd love to just talk a little bit about that, because I think people will be super interested in what you've got cooking up and how you're planning it in the research and all that stuff. So maybe we could talk about that a little bit. So yes, my plan originally was to spend two months, 30 days to two months in Japan. Because, yeah, I've never been and I'm just like, let's whole different world. Let's see what happens here. Scaling that down a little bit too. Let's try it for two weeks, and then, if we want to, then we'll expand up. We can do two months later, or we can just do two weeks at a time every so often. But yeah, ever since I posted that, and it's been weird, universal synchronicity. So last week, I was in an event in Miami. I meet this one person who basically wants to expand counseling services to Japan or for international workers who go back and forth. And I'm like, Oh, this is right up my alley. Let's definitely do this. And I don't remember the person's name. And I apologize, there was this other person. I believe it was on your podcast. I believe she ran orchard, Cheryl. Cheryl, yes, yeah, yeah. I talked with her as well. I believe, a year, year or so ago. And same thing, I am very, very interested in how to run in an international practice. And yes, I'm, yeah, I still am in this planning pages phases. I know Japan has its own sort of counseling licensure system, but they also have this role that you don't advertise as that specific thing. You can still do international practice, amazing. So, so you want to see clients like expats and stuff in Japan. Or do you want to just be able to see your clients from Japan both? Oh, okay. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So I definitely want to see clients from Japan, because this will it's a 14 hour time difference, and I already have Excel file with the jst Eastern Standard Time, including daylight savings time. And it's like, okay, if I, if it's, you know, 8pm there, I can see this client at this time. And I have, I have everything planned out in regards to that, as long as I can get a strong enough internet signal, I think this can work. Yeah, okay. This will open up so many more possibilities, because I don't know. I mean, if I want to go to I don't even know where else I'm gonna go to, but if I'm gonna go on the other side of the planet and still keep my practice for whatever reason, I can make this happen. And it's kind of a proof of concept, but I'm very pumped for it. Oh, I love it, yeah. So is the trip planned, or is it still like, Okay, I'm gonna do two weeks, or you already have, still, it hasn't been finalized yet, so I keep on getting alerts from kayak and Google Flights like every other day. Yeah. In regards to prices, I'm looking at October, I might push that back to this November, just because the daylight savings time might actually align a little bit better, be a little bit cheaper as well, because it'll be an off season. But, um, yeah, no, I'm pumped. I definitely want to do this. And this has been a dream of mine since I was like, I don't know, teenager, different world. I really want to go international and see how this works. That's really cool. Yeah, so have you already started trying to get like, uh, clients in Japan, like, expats there, or are you willing to see about that? Okay, gotcha. I still want to experience a little bit more, and I definitely want to know a little bit more about the culture, because I'm, you know, I'm a nerd, and go to anime conventions and do and play video games and stuff. But it's like outside of that. I think Cheryl knows a little bit more about, like, adult corporate culture than I do, yes, so seem to know a lot about that. I probably want a little bit more exposure to

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the reality outside of the media that's like imported over here. So I definitely want to explore a little bit more before I start advertising. Yeah, that's awesome. Oh my gosh, so exciting. So you've you found out that you can see expats in Japan, as long as you don't call it whatever they call what do they do? They do? You know, the term they use or not sure I do not. Okay. It's all.

20:00

On, it's on the international I believe. I don't

20:07

know if I have the website, but it's, I'm trying Japan counseling. No, I don't have the website. I apologize, but I don't remember what it was called specifically. But yeah, there is a specific term in the same way that Americans use licensed counselor or licensed mental health counselor or licensed professional counselor. They have their term as long as you don't call yourself that you can still work.

20:29

That's awesome. Yeah, that's cool. Okay, so you can do that. You can see your clients, you worked out the time zones, and assist them to manage it. It sounds like you got a spreadsheet going. I recently have just, I've just keeping everything on Eastern time. It just is working out better for me, like I've got my computer, my phone,

20:47

um, my zoom, all my all my calendars, are just staying at Eastern time because I just struggled with that so much. I told Stephen before I hit

20:56

record today that, you know, it's like 7am here, I still somehow managed to book myself at 70

21:03

for a podcast interview. I, yeah, I'm gonna try to be very aware of that. A, because I definitely need sleep and B,

21:11

I, I definitely yeah, I don't mind going the other way around. I don't mind if a client at two in the morning. Eastern Standard Time wants to see me. I'll definitely do counseling for vampires or people on third shift, but no, I definitely am in bed at before midnight. Yeah, no, I totally hear you. Yeah, it's, it's tough to manage. I mean, like every time I think I've got it down, something like this pops up, and like today, we have to check out of this Airbnb at 10am Mountain Time, but I had somebody scheduled at 12 Eastern so I didn't calculate that. So I had to, like, I I messaged her. I was like, Can we rebook it? She's like, that's fine, but it's like, there's always just these little things that pop up around time zones. Is just stressful. I mean, two and a half years into this, and I'm still trying to figure out time zones. I don't know, you know, I guess it'll always be this way.

22:07

Is there any way to just set it to Greenwich medium time and be like, figure it out and sell clients? Yeah, wouldn't that be nice?

22:16

I'm available. 1010, 10 mountain. You figure out when you could see me.

22:22

I think I had the same I haven't been to Nashville in in forever, but I think I had the same problem where I was like, I was just looking at my phones. Like, okay, everything in my schedule is screwed up, and it's freaking me out. I know it's only an hour off, but yeah, I just like, Oh my god. This is destroying my brain. Oh my god. You know, sitting here thinking I need to set up some sort of AI chat bot to tell me, yeah, exactly what time it is, where I am. I should do that. I don't know why I have it. I run the clinical AI club. You think I'd have some AI hack for times?

22:54

Yeah, I when you create that, I'll need to steal it or buy from Okay, I'll share it with you. Thank you. You're welcome. There probably is one already. I don't even know it, but anyway, so very cool. Thank you for updating us. Is there anything else that we didn't talk about that maybe would be helpful? Okay, so let's talk about big feelings, if that's okay, yeah. Okay. So yeah, this entire transition, and then both transitioning from apartment to Van life to full time van life to hey, let's just do this temporary thing, getting stuck and then trying to travel again in a whole new way. It's a lot, and it's like, you're for,

23:44

man,

23:46

I love this life. I really do. It has some bad side, you know? It has some shadow sides and some downsides, but even that, it's, it's great, yeah, it's taught me so much about myself. But I'm not going to try not to swear, gosh darn,

24:02

is it a lot sometimes? So, yeah, I hear, you know, you've been doing this for, what, two and a half years, three. It's like going from one place to another, doing the transition. And you, I mean, you're the OG traveling therapist.

24:16

It's really,

24:19

let me make this more of a question. I guess is there ever times when you're like, Okay, this is wonderful. Is there ever times when you're like, I know I keep on wanting to do this, but a part of me is like, no, let me just sit here real quick and not do this ever again. Right now. We're in that right now, so,

24:38

so we have to be back in Virginia by the night, like we already have an Airbnb booked. Today is May 30, and last week we pulled into a plant fitness, like traveling from Salt Lake City to Moab, right? So we we go to Planet Fitness. I know you use plant fitness too. It's like all over the country for the showers and all that stuff. But so we pull into planta fitness. We're in there working out, and they come.

25:00

Out, and some 84 year old man has hit my car, my BMW, z4

25:07

Yes, somebody, he, he thought he was going backwards, but he went forward instead, and he, like, floored it and rammed into my car, right? So, like, holy, so it seemed like it was cosmetic, right? So we're like, alright, well, okay, we exchange information, all that stuff, and we're driving to Moab, which is like, four hours from Salt Lake City. And, you know, excited to get down to Moab and see all the national parks, everything the check engine light comes on. Mm, hmm. So it's like, oh my god. So of course, I pull over, call the tow truck all this stuff anyway. Turns out the way he hit, it made the shutters not open and closed, and it's throwing this code and all this stuff it. But then the drive train warning comes up on the on the

25:52

thing, like, two hours after that, and we stopped, we had somebody check it out. They're like, I think you could still drive it. It's just the shutters were like, okay. But then this drive train warning comes up. So of course, I own a BMW. So guess what? There's like, maybe one BMW dealership in every single state, right? Like, barely. In some states there's none. So we get to Moab, and we're like, oh we can't, we can't drive to Virginia with this engine light on, right? So it's like the nearest BMW place is back in Provo Utah, which is all the way back, almost to Salt Lake City.

26:25

So you know, we have to, we had to come back here. We're we've been stuck, like you said, stuck in Provo Utah for almost two weeks. It was a holiday weekend, Memorial Day weekend, and nobody was working. The insurance company wasn't working. The BMW people weren't working the mechanics, nothing. So we're in an Airbnb. We're like, we have no idea when this place is, when, when they're going to be able to fix it. We just keep extending the Airbnb another couple days, another couple days, and now we got the car back yesterday. They fixed it, they made it drivable. They didn't do the cosmetic stuff. But we had to be in Virginia by the night. So it's the 30th, so we have to drive basically, what, 2000 miles over the next, what, seven days. And I've got appointments in there, and every day, you know, to make it back in time to, like, be in this other Airbnb we've already booked. So, so yes, there are times it's just like, Oh my God. Like, it's just like, it, it does. It sounds like an easy problem to have, like, whatever. Okay, you're straight into beautiful Provo. You doesn't sound like an easy problem to have, no That sounds like a lot.

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It's like, oh my god, it, you know, sitting here in Provo, it's like, I don't even want to leave. I'm just like, I don't want to do this over the next 10 days or whatever. Like, I don't want to, I just want to stay put for a while.

27:45

I was held that way. Sorry, go ahead. I was just saying we did book a month in Florida, like in July, just to, like, chill. You know, after we do all this craziness that we're getting ready to do, starting today at like, 10am Mountain Time, nice. So, no, I feel that way all the time, and even when I know I'm going to enjoy the experience at the end of it or during, yeah, it's like, oh my God, I don't. I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to get in the car. Yeah, I don't want to move fast. Like, the last thing I want to do today is drive to Denver, which is a seven and a half hour drive.

28:23

Man, oh, no, it's crazy. I think that's, that's part of the transition. And this is so there's the transitions you play in, and there's transitions you on, you don't plan, but you have to react as, yeah. So like, I, I decided I wanted a, you know, when I went down to Daytona, I was like, Okay, this will be a good home base. It's a small little hotel unit, 430 square feet. It's nothing, yeah, first night I get in there, I'm like, this place is terrible. I'm about to, like, leave today to go back to Pittsburgh. Then it grew on me. And then over two months, it was like, oh, yeah, this is terrible. So it, I don't want to say it's like

29:06

a sunk cost fallacy, or like wasted energy, because it's not. It's like, okay, this is you trying to get established here and then making a home base. And a certain point I was like, Okay, I'm going to basically just use this do short term rentals and move from one spot to the other, but now, but at a certain point, I was like, oh, no, that is not the way to go, as evidenced by, you know, all the stuff that happened this, I don't want to know. I don't want to go into it too much, because it's a little bit gross, yeah. But

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then it's like, okay, I need out of there. I didn't want to have to spend this time, energy, attention on finding another apartment, but I did, and it was the right decision. Is this my forever home? Probably not. Yeah, it's a good home base for now. And yes, that's it. And, but yeah, it's just when you when you're looking, when you're at the bottom of the mountain, looking at.

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Up, yeah, and you're just like, I just want to stay here. It's, it's,

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it's so hard to start climbing. It is, oh, my god, that is, that's it.

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But somehow I get the energy that it's like, Well, that wasn't too bad. I got to listen to, you know, couple podcasts. I get to listen to my audiobook. You know, we're going to drive beautiful. I think it's interstate 70 that goes through Colorado. It's gorgeous. So we'll be driving through that. But, you know, it's just like, Oh yeah, yeah. And every time it's been worth it, even when it sucked, it's like, it's taught something. And it's like, even when it's been terrible, it has been worth it. And it's like, I just want to keep on reminding myself, and that ever changes when I say, You know what? I didn't get anything out of this. I didn't learn anything. That's like, okay, now I can stop climbing. That's fine. But exactly No, that hasn't happened yet. So yeah, no, I I'm right there with you. So we'll see have you, we'll see what happens. We're going to totally chill in July, which I cannot wait, you know, place right on the ocean, down near Melbourne, Florida, which is going to be awesome. So I'm excited to just have a little break.

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Yeah, I enjoy it. Yes, do do a month. And that's, I mean, that's another thing. Like,

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I am very blessed, and I've worked hard for this, but I'm very blessed, and you're very blessed to you. I know you've worked way harder than for this, than I have, but just being able to take a month and be like, yeah, anywhere it's yeah, just imagine that, like, 100 years ago, it'd be like no ability to do that, yeah? Oh my gosh. I know that. That is the amazing part. It's like, okay, well, you want to be a mobile for a month. Let's do it,

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awesome, and come on my way. Let's have adventures. Okay, yeah, like I said, I have a friend that lives right up there in Ormond, so she was my college roommate that tells you anything? Talk about college days?

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Sure. So I've talked to a lot of people, and I've, you know, I meet friends on the road. I remember I was visiting my one friend in Richmond. This is from we used to know each other in the army, and I meet one of his friends, and I show him the original, the Eloise, the van. And he's like, Dude, you're living my dream. And I'm like, come with get a van, get the kid, pack up the kids, let's go. And so many people I meet have the same reaction, but they always say, Nope,

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I'm in this community and and I'm in awe of Addie Wayland. Weland. Yes, yeahland.

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Who two kids, husbands, in the in the trailer, traveling around the world, doing homeschooling, taking them to like, science centers and all this other stuff. It's like, Oh, that is so beautiful. It is. Oh my gosh, I know. I'm like, is there anything that really jumps out at you when you talk to either other therapists or other people in general, that really seems to, they really want to do it, but really stop themselves from doing it. Oh my gosh, so many things. Yeah. I mean, I talk to therapists every day about this. It's just, you know, it's the pets, it's the kids, it's the aging parents, it's the oh, I'm attached to my stuff. It's like, how do I manage financially to to maintain a residence while I'm also paying for residences other places? You know, it's just all of that. You know, what do I do with my stuff if I sell my house? You know, just all the logistics and how to like how do you manage time zones? I don't think I can do that. How do I, you know, tell my clients, my clients are going to like that, you know, just, you know, licensure, like, am I even allowed to do it? Like? That's the first step. A lot of people don't even know they're allowed to do it. And if you go to the traveling therapist Facebook group, I mean, every day, somebody tells you something different, that's not even true, you know, it's like, like crazy in here. It's like, this. This is such misinformation in this group. It's insane. Um, you know, and I try to monitor that, but you really can't. So, yeah, all of that, all of the above, and

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then it's like, medical, you know, like everything, like, how do I get, you know, health insurance in Utah, when you know, my residence is in Florida, my residence, my mom's address, but you know, it's just all of those logistics just keep people from doing it.

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And, I mean, we seem to be able to

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do it even like, I thought about a lot of the things you said, but I didn't think about half of those when I first started. I was like, I learned a little bit. Maybe I didn't experience some of those threats yet, but it's like, okay, all the logistical things have an answer. Yeah, yeah. It's wild. I'm not, and I'm not trying to convince anyone to do this if they don't want to, like because they can figure it out if they want or not. But I have this one thing I see, especially a lot of my male clients. I have a lot of male clients who would have thought male client, male therapy.

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Just getting a lot of mail clients, but it's like, okay, the call to adventure thing. But they kind of seem stuck, and they're not really willing to do it that much, like they'll go in the woods every so often, but it's not something more, yeah.

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But yeah, I am trying to convince people.

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How do I convince people that it's like, it's worth it. Well, it's kind of, I mean, it's not even about the life you live or I live. It's like you, you as a therapist, right? You hear people and and a therapist that coaches, therapists, you hear people they've got, like, these, this deep inner calling to, like, live a certain life, whatever that means for them. But they can't. They can't, they won't they, they don't have the courage. They the logistics won't work out. They don't have the money, you know. So I don't know about you, but me Just hearing that, like, that inner soul calling when I'm talking to people and I could, you know, it's like, oh, maybe one day when I retire, like that kind of stuff. It just, it kills me, because it's like, you, you know, you actually could do whatever, whatever you know x thing is that you're like, longing for that you can't do for whatever reason, you know, so I don't know about you, but that that's what it is for me. It's like, you know, you just hear that inner soul calling, and it's like, but you can do it. I swear, we'll figure out how you can do it. But it's the Oh no, I can't, I'm too busy, you know, all of that stuff. And that's with anything with clients. You know, when, when you hear them want to do something different, but they don't like they they stay with the same guy, or, you know, all of the same job, or, you know, caretaking for somebody that doesn't deserve it, like all that stuff. You know, it's like that stuck place where it's just, like your soul just aches to help them get out of it, but they're not ready, or they don't want to, or they can't, or whatever, you know. So, yeah, the devil you know, is still the devil.

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Yeah, you can do better. Like, yeah. And I think the retirement thing is also just, and this is weird for me. I've had a bunch of corporate jobs, from the army to hospitals to academia, and I've hated all of them, yeah, or at the very least, I've been very misaligned, and it's like, okay, yes. Now running my own private practice, able to be wild and free, etc, but I've always had some sort of time pressure where it's like, I'm not going to wait for retirement to get what I need and want totally, um, I just, I just have such a hard time even thinking that far ahead, whereas other people just seem to be like, Ah, maybe one day when I'm out of the corporate gig. I'm like, why wait 40 years? Yeah. Oh, my god, yeah, it couldn't even right? Oh no, no, yeah. When I hear, when I hear that stuff, it just, it's hard not to, like, you said, like, push, push, the lifestyle, like, but you can't look, I mean, it sucks. I'm in Provo Utah. But have you seen Provo Utah? It's gorgeous. It's surrounded by mountains. It's got a lake. I mean, it's beautiful. It's a college town. BYU is here. It's so cute, you know. And, you know, I would never have even stayed here that hadn't happened with the car. But, you know? And there's, yeah, there's so many beautiful things, even just up and down 95 like, yes, yeah, Rock Hill, South Carolina, which I've only you know, it's a small little college town, but everything's beautiful, like the hills around Nashville. It's just like, I can't even explain how many little small towns with the one coffee shop that, with the one antique store, that's just like, this is so, just so energizing being there. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I love it. I love it. I just did a reel today on my Instagram about using chat GPT as a travel hack for walking tours, because that's one of the favorite things I love to do is, you know, go to a new city and just walk and just like, check it out, just get the feel for the city. I love that so much. So I was, I was saying in the real today, if you type into chat GPT. Like, give me a walking tour of Salt Lake City. For example. I like to see this, this, this and this on a walking tour. It'll, like, create a whole thing for you. It's so cool. We did it in Salt Lake City. We're like, let's do the chat GPT walking tour and see what happens. Yes, awesome. You know, I love stuff like that. It doesn't even matter what town it is. I just like to go explore and walk around and get the feel for the town. Yeah, I was in temple terrace outside of Tampa yesterday, and I only had, I had less than two days because I just, just because of so much stuff I had to do. But I'm just like, and fortunately, it's only three hours away, but I was like, I just want to spend a week here. I just want to, I want to just experience this. It's right outside of University of South Florida. And right, it's like, 20 minutes from Tampa proper, and it's like, oh, yeah, I there was just so many little things. We went to this German bar called Mr dunderbacks.

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Amazing. I was like, I would never have known this existed unless my brother recommended me. So it's.

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Just the little things. Yeah, love it. Love that. I think, I guess just one more thing, it's so worth it. And if just to the audience, if you're What was I talking about, the transitions, having to do stuff like, Okay, your car getting hit, it sucks. Yeah, to do that, but you're managing and same thing. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And I'll manage, I'll manage getting to Virginia. It'll be fine. Probably be fun even, you know,

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I think you're it was your podcast with Amber, I believe, where you were, like, you were either Costa Rica or you were in one of the islands. It's like, oh, this place is terrible. We had to move to another one and have to, you know, adjust things. Yeah, it sucks sometimes, but it's worth it. And hey, everyone, you can handle it. Yeah, like, exactly, Empowerments. That's the that's the thing. Whatever the world throws at you, you can handle it. That's what I'm gonna say. And when I look back now, all I remember, really, is we, we were staying in this awesome Airbnb, and it was, like, right on this little cove in Los tiranas Zip Dominican Republic. It was awesome. There were problems, but it was awesome. You know, when you look back on it, it's like that was pretty cool to be able to live there for a month and just chill like that. We had a pool at a restaurant this beautiful ocean. Yeah, so I do complain a lot, but there's also a lot of wonderful stuff that comes out of it. Yes, complaining is my favorite thing to do same. Oh yeah, I hear you.

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Well, Steven, thank you so much. I hope you can go to Japan. You'll come back after and tell us how it was what you're doing. Definitely come back until you all give you all the tea. Absolutely, I can't wait. Yeah, thanks so much. Thank you. I've always loved talking with you, and I appreciate you giving me this inviting me back to the podcast. Yeah, thanks a lot. And if people want to reach out to you, how do they find you? Oh, they want to talk to you. Prosperity, cc.com, prosperity, counseling and coaching. And you can also reach out to me on Instagram and Facebook. I'm in every Facebook group under Laura, like every counseling Facebook group under Steven Memorial. And you can just message me directly. And, yeah, website, that, Facebook, Instagram, and what can you can put my emails along. We can put it in the show notes, if that's okay, yeah, absolutely, yeah. We'll put it in there. We'll put all the places to reach you, yeah, well, thank you so much. Thank you appreciate it. You.

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