117. Ketamine, EMDR, and Fly Fishing: How to blend Therapy with Adventure! with Maggie Kelly

117. Ketamine, EMDR, and Fly Fishing: How to blend Therapy with Adventure! with Maggie Kelly

In a casual and engaging episode of the Traveling Therapist podcast, Maggie Kelly discusses her transition from traditional therapy to a traveling therapist lifestyle, emphasizing the integration of her passions into her professional life. Maggie graduated with a focus on foster care and simultaneously built a virtual private practice, which allowed her the flexibility to travel and work remotely. Her current practice includes offering EMDR intensive sessions and ketamine-assisted therapy, adapting her schedule to maintain a balance between work and leisure activities like fly fishing.

Maggie shares insights on managing a therapy practice across different locations, focusing on logistical aspects such as maintaining a reliable internet connection and adapting to various time zones. She leverages a co-working space in Boulder for both a professional environment and networking opportunities, enhancing her practice's flexibility. Maggie's approach illustrates a modern way to blend personal interests and professional commitments, showcasing the potential for therapists to design a fulfilling and dynamic career and lifestyle.

Key Points:

  • Maggie Kelly has transitioned from traditional therapy to a traveling therapist, utilizing virtual sessions to maintain her practice while traveling.
  • She integrates EMDR and ketamine-assisted therapy into her practice, emphasizing the importance of flexibility and strong logistical planning.
  • Maggie uses co-working spaces to manage her practice effectively while enjoying the travel aspect of her lifestyle, proving the feasibility of maintaining a professional career alongside personal passions.

About Maggie Kelly

Maggie Kelly LPCC is a virtual private practice therapist in Colorado specializing in EMDR Intensives, Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy, and Accelerated Resolution Therapy. She conducts virtual sessions & intensives from various locations, including Guatemala, Mexico, and across US while pursuing her love of fly fishing, hiking, and hot springs. Maggie is committed to helping clients navigate their healing journeys with innovative, accessible mental health support while enjoying the fruits of a digital nomad lifestyle.

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Hi, everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Travelling therapist podcast. Really excited today we have a super interesting guest that's got a ton of things to tell you about how she's making her traveling therapist lifestyle work. But I want to introduce you to Maggie Kelly. Maggie, so excited to have you here. And I always start the episode out with how did you go from becoming a traditional therapist to a traveling therapist?


Absolutely. I graduated from state in 2023. May. And there I just, I was working with the foster care system. And I started to build my private practice website on the side, I was taking a private practice course, and just seeds of of inspiration around travel and wanting to work virtually just because I love to fly fish, and just yet see the world. And so I began to just move from an in person private practice to the virtual practice. build that up over time. And yeah, when I graduated, just went right into virtual practice. And that was yeah, we're the launching pad was for travel.


I love that so much. Because you know, I don't know about you. But in my graduate school, it was like, you have to go right into an agency, you got to stay in the agency, you got to pay your dues, you know, and then and then move to if you want to go private, which is like a bad word anyway, you know, at least it used to be when I was in graduate school, if you want to go private fine. But you have to eventually leave agency, you have to go to a group practice, you have to work for them for years until you know the ropes and then you can go private on your own. That was like the trajectory, at least, you know, was that back in 2008? When I went through all that, but now it's so different. I just love that story. You graduated, did some foster care work? And you're like, Yeah, I'm just gonna go do my practice now. And, and travel? Yeah,


I was a body worker for many years. So kind of running a business under my belt as well. And yeah, but virtual healing was, yeah, something totally new. Yeah,


that's amazing. That's so cool. So tell us what your practice looks like right now. Because you're sort of a jack of many trades. And it sounds like the way you're doing it also gives you more time probably to enjoy your travels. And maybe somebody that's just doing that traditional one to one clients back to back all day long kind of model. Yeah,


I've been doing EMDR intensives, and some ketamine assisted therapy as well. So working more in a 90 minute, even three hour model of day, intensives, half day intensives. And also, we're working with a foundation that does free therapy for cancer patients. So I've been able to get paid from that foundation, through my private practice to work in that specific area. So just, I'm just amazed at how many opportunities there are in a creative ways to work as a private practice therapist, and to always, yeah, just make new make new things where


yeah, oh, that's amazing. So how did you structure your day with all these different things coming in? I know, for me, you know, I've got like three different businesses. I see clients, sometimes still, too. So it's like, for me, it's been a challenge to really get that perfect schedule down, especially changing time zones and all that stuff. So how's that working for you with all these different modalities that you're bringing into what you're doing right now?


Yeah, I really just do Monday, Wednesday, Friday are my therapy sessions. And then there's some buffer time for travel or even just to get to explore like, I was recently in Guatemala. And so to have, yeah, a whole day of just seeing clients, and then the next day to just hang out on like, adilyn, and soak up the sun and go right back into that next day. So having that kind of rhythm of work and rest has been really resourceful.


Oh, I love that so much. Yes. So do you do you stick to that schedule really strictly? You do. That's great, because I'm really bad about that.


boundaries have been a hard thing to learn just in the business structure things but I'm always just glad when I when I do even saying no is although it's kind of scary at times. It's like, oh, no, I gotta stick to the structure and things will fall into place.


That's perfect. So Monday, Wednesday, Friday are those like full days like full workdays for you? Is that how you do that? And then Tuesday, Thursday, did you say those are travel days or those are like your play days kind of travel on the weekends or like,


yeah, exactly. And sometimes, like working also have like some marketing hours in those Monday, Wednesday, Fridays, as well. So have time for that too.


That's amazing. Yeah. So do you find that you are in a lot of different time zones or do you try to stay like pretty close to what you're already doing with clients? I know that's a tough one for me. Anyway. Oh, definitely,


yeah, Mexico and Guatemala. We're just on our difference. And then I was synced back after the daylight savings to Colorado time. So that was pretty easy in that sense. I'll go to Europe this summer. And yeah, I'm a little worried about just the sinking of that. At that time, peace, but yeah, I haven't had too much trouble except for the daylight savings time. I didn't realize that Guatemala didn't follow it. So things just Yeah, I like the mishap. ones. But that was about it.


Isn't that funny? Yeah. That's how the Dominican Republic was, too. I was like, alright, because I always try to keep it on Eastern time. And then it like changed Eastern time. But the Dominican Republic was Eastern time, but they didn't change with daylight savings pencils, like oh, my gosh, this is totally messing me up. It's really hard sometimes.


Just like keeping the calendar, and then the translations of times, and


oh, my gosh, yeah, I still have not perfected that system. But I'm working on it and try to figure out a way to help others get a perfect system around it to but it's, it's hard. Yeah, for sure. Okay, so So do you find your interests sort of guide where you go? Because I know, you said in your bio fly fishing, before we hit record, you said fly fishing, and then you just mentioned it again. So like, is that like a huge passion? Like, does that guide everywhere you go? Or how do you pick where you're going? Yeah,


I would say that's a big one, just because it just plugs me into activities in the area brings me close to the water gets me out of the cold Colorado winter into warmer climates. And then coming back here, I'll travel around the West kind of following the fish and yeah, working in between. So that's that's definitely a big piece of it, too. And then art and culture and exploring just different things, too.


Yeah, I love that. So do you have certain places you always go back to? Or is that our, because I'm like, kind of like, I never want to go back to the same place. You know, because there's so many places to see. But do you have like, certain places you love to go around? Fishing schedules or anything like that? Or do you just go wherever you feel like,


yeah, in Colorado, definitely. There's just like beautiful hot springs. So I have different towns that I just love to hang out in Glenwood Springs right now. I will definitely go to Guatemala. That was the first time I went this year. And I loved it so much. So it really was Yeah, it's like I'm coming back.


Oh, nice. I've never been there. I might have to add that to my list.


Yeah. There's the Lenten processions and just so somebody interesting. Oh, really, culturally?


I love that. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. What an amazing job to be able to be so creative with it, and just go wherever you want and make it work. It's just amazing to me every time I talk to somebody on this podcast, so are you licensed in Colorado? Is that your main state of licensure? Other states to Okay.


Oh, PCC there. And, yeah, I can be anywhere the clients just have to be in Colorado. And that makes it work easy.


Well, that's perfect. Yeah. So have you found? Did you find any restrictions in Guatemala or, you know, a lot of people don't even worry about it too much. Because our states of licensures don't really care get to where we are. So we don't check other countries have? Did you do any research? Or find out anything about Guatemala? For anybody listening? That might be it might be helpful for them to know.


Yeah, I think there was a just a restriction on time, like how long you can hair? I was the same for Mexico. I'm trying to remember just like the 180 days before. Okay. I think extent I think it's similar there, too. Yeah,


that's how the Dominican Republic is, too.


They had,


I think theirs was I can't remember now. I think it was like 60 days, you could stay. And then if you if you went over, they didn't care. But you just had to, like start paying sort of what they call a fine if you stay longer over your visa. And then I think it was the same thing over 180 days, you had to start basically paying in taxes that you were making taxes on whatever money you're making back in the United States. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's so important to keep track of that, you know? Yeah, I guess most countries are like that. So I feel like even in Europe, it's that shanigan thing where you can do 90 But then you have to be out for 180. Right, that that European circle there. Yeah, that's interesting.


I think is it Portugal has the digital nomad visa you can apply for so I've been thinking about that, too. That would be interesting to be able to stay a bit longer.


Yeah, yeah, it would be you know, I that's the only thing that's kind of a little bit nerve wracking. I think it's just trying to keep track of all that stuff. Yes, talking to somebody in Vietnam that just lives there forever, but they have to do visa runs or they have to leave for 24 hours and they come back and then it resets their visa. You know, it's like you got to get creative, I guess on some of these countries, but yeah, super interesting. So how do you make it work with like with the ketamine assisted and the EMDR intensives I guess it's all remote since you're in different places. How does the academy casework do you have to coordinate with a physician, I guess? Or how's that? How do you make that work? I'm so curious about that. Yeah,


usually the clients have already been working with a psychiatrist and the ketamine, there has been something that they've explored with them. And then the psychiatrist recommends working with a therapist. And that's when they reach out to me. So the collaborations kind of already been set up and client has formed that relationship. And there's like a lot of just like safety protocols, like definitely want to make sure the client isn't suicidal in any way to do remote work. And having, you know, just the internet connection is great, because you don't want to drop someone in that kind of altered space, and really slow and I find that to being home creates a lot of safety for the client. And yeah, with EMDR, I use the bilateral stimulation.io to do the eye movements. So we've done that session without ketamine before, and have built up that kind of rapport and ground before going into the ketamine assisted therapy.


Wow. That's really, really cool. So are these clients with the ketamine clients? Are they like, kind of one offs to process their ketamine journey? Or is it more like an ongoing therapy client that you keep? Yeah, it's


ongoing. So we'll do Cascais your so they'll take a ketamine dose, maybe 25 minutes before our session, and then we head right to EMDR it's definitely a lot slow word. And I like the normal EMDR session. But if I met, it's a lot of the resistances are just not there in terms of processing. And we get to go really deep and wow, and have a safety plan for them, too.


That's amazing. So I didn't realize you were doing EMDR with the ketamine. Oh, my gosh, that is wild. I EMDR trade two and, you know, I just that just blows my mind. That's so cool. Yeah, it's


I went to a conference in Denver and saw Yeah, and IFS with ketamine, and was just like, totally blown away. And that inspired me to get into the EMDR and do a little training in that area.


How cool. That is amazing. Wow. So you would do that? I'm just like, really into this now. So you do the EMDR Academy session? And then I guess, maybe follow up with other EMDR sessions? Or would it always be ketamine assisted? When you're working with them? Yeah,


sometimes we'll do like an interval of just an integration session, kind of checking in. And even calling after the first session, it just adjust like, how was the you know, the whole setup on the computer? Are there ways to make adjustments? And so yeah, kind of you doing it undulating between some regular sessions, and then the ketamine cap sessions with the MDR.


Wow, that just blows my mind. And then you would do it for a night? Like, is it usually a 90 minute session? Is that what you said? or longer?


Yeah, but 90 minutes? Yeah.


Okay, that is so cool. Yeah, I'm sure people listening to this are gonna be like, how are you doing that? I want to know everything about it. That's amazing. So I guess you're probably not insurance based if you're doing this type of session. So is it all private pay? Yeah. Ready to


pay? And then some clients will work with me through the foundation. So that's another one. I work with others?


Oh, through the foundation? Oh my gosh, wow. Okay. So they would come through the foundation? And then or do they come to you already knowing about like your specialty with the ketamine and the EMDR? Or are they already familiarized with that? And then they just know that you're somebody to work with around that topic?


Yeah. familiar with that, and then kind of find me or just online or Yeah,


wow, that's amazing. It's you get a lot of clients, a lot of referrals, like to stay steady. Okay.


I've been lately, I think I joined a co working place in Boulder, where I'm based out of and that's been a great resource for referrals. And just working with the Cancer Foundation has been a niche that I didn't expect. And so that's been just beautiful, reaching out to different clinics and getting referrals for other clients who've gotten therapy scholarships for them. So yeah, it's been slowly and steadily growing.


That's so smart. Oh, my gosh. So the the co working space, can you talk to us about that a little bit? You know, what prompted you to do that is that you know, just you know, I don't know some people do it, they they are missing like that human contact piece or they just want to rely on the office to go to can you tell us about that like that process? What it how it helps you and it with this being digital nomad and everything? Yeah, absolutely.


I think for community was a big draw, and just to be around people in different industries, so a place called Killman Boulder and they have had just different events. They have an AI meetup, where people will demo their technology that they're doing. Oh, I love that. Yeah. So I just like just having different interests. It's, you know, it's, it loves doing therapy. But it's also nice to just connect with people about totally different things and learn about different industries. So that was definitely the draw.


That's so cool. So as a like a membership model where you get access to an office if you want it, and then the events and all that, is that how it works? It's like, okay,


so I don't have a office there. But you can reserve private space. Sometimes I'll do sessions there. Sometimes. When I'm in Boulder, I'll just do them at home, but do a lot of like my marketing days. There are just events, sir thing. So yeah, it's been a great good resource because it can get like lonely just to be alone in your private practice and wanting to connect your Yeah. Yeah.


Okay. So you the way you're making it work is it sounds like you still have a home base that you keep in Boulder? Is that what you're saying? Okay, gotcha. So then that prompted to get the co working space in that area where you knew you'd be occasionally okay. Yeah.


So honestly, like, a month would be the longest and then I do like a little, like, week long travels where I'm working or two weeks. Oh, nice. Like a like a mini digital nomad in that way. Like, always coming back home. Back out. Yeah. Oh,


gotcha. That's very cool. Yeah. And those of you listening, probably can't see but she's sitting in like, it looks like a really cool hotel, like a little boutique hotel and their background right now. Do you tend to just go and stay at hotels stuff? Or is it more like, Airbnb is like, what what? How do you prefer to make that work? So a lot of people are like, they get really stuck on that piece. You know? Yeah,


I love Airbnb use have done did a lot of that in Guatemala here is just like a historic hotel. So I wanted to stay here in the Colorado hotel and Glenwood Springs. So just depending on the research, and yeah, what fits for my schedule?


No fun. Yeah, that's perfect. I need to get back to Boulder and then have the co working space and networking opportunities and all that through there. That's really great. Yeah.


Yeah, that's to both


does this co working spaces that like in other locations, too, because I know there are a couple like I've been in other countries, and I've seen a couple brand, co working spaces in different places. So is it like other places, too, or just in Colorado? This


one's called Killman. I believe they have places in Utah and other all kinds of in states around Colorado, maybe even California. But yeah, they have multiple locations. And if you're a member at one, you can use any of them. So also opens the opportunity of, you know, going to California for a week and being able to walk out there. Yeah,


especially if you know, you're in a hotel or traveling with a partner or something like that. Sometimes it's hard to find a place to do set sessions and all of that. So that I've always thought that was a neat concept, like these memberships where you can use co working spaces around the world if you want to, you know, yeah, that's so cool. Well, you're really making it work.


Yeah, trying to just go with the flow and see, see what opportunities are out there?


Yeah. So do you do you tend to travel by yourself mostly, or with a partner or friend? Or is it just random? Yeah, I


kind of go by myself. I have a couple other friends that work remotely. So we might do a weekend some way a week somewhere? Yeah, depending on people's schedules linking up. Oh,


that's really cool. Yeah, how fun


meeting, there's some great like Facebook groups for female solo travelers and digital nomads. So that's been super helpful just when going in place and not knowing too many people and being able to, quickly to,


I always admire, like, particularly women that are just doing it, you know, just out there by themselves. Because I often think like, I don't know, if I'd be like, brave enough, I guess to go to a country just by myself, like Guatemala by myself or something, you know, for an extended period of time. So I just think that's really, really cool that people are just able to pick up and just go like, yeah, I want to go there. I'm just going by myself and I'm just gonna hang out for a couple of weeks.


Yeah, it is amazing that a woman in Antigua who she's been traveling for three years just doing the digital nomad lifestyle, just solo female and yeah, super inspiring. Like I'm quite there yet, but I'm like, Wow, it's amazing. Yeah, totally.


Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever would ever be able to I don't have to worry about it really right now, but you know, you never know. It's just it. I love it. I love that people do that. So is there anything you've learned like along the way that you think would be helpful for listeners any you know, trials and tribulations you sort of had to overcome or like workout to perfect this lifestyle you're trying to do that you think would be helpful for people? Yeah,


I think there's definitely some internal barriers of just doubt are like, can I make this work or like, you know, my threat response brain was like, these are the million things They can go wrong and just really, you know on that and it's protective and I love I love defenses in that way but like go and just adapt a lot of it is just internet connection so like making sure that Airbnb has really good Wi Fi bringing the solace Wi Fi hotspot. Nice, but a million times. Yeah, that's been the biggest thing is just technology and and looking for safe places if abroad for Yeah, female solo traveler. And again, the Facebook groups have been just so helpful. I'm so happy people sharing information. And yeah, so so many generous people just willing to help you out out there.


Yeah, that that's cool. So ahead of time, you would probably have been one of those groups, if you knew you're going by yourself and just say, what do you guys think? Is this a safe place? What neighborhoods should I be looking to stay in? Like that kind of thing? Yeah,


yeah. Like take a snapshot of like the Airbnb map and ask people like, where would you? Where would you go? If you're, if someone's still living there?


That's really smart. Yeah, so just posting in the group, because you just never know. I mean, even on Airbnb, they make it look so good. Right? You know, even from the Street View, it looks like it's perfect that that sometimes you pull up and it's like, Oh, my God, this is terrifying. Yeah. I don't feel safe sleeping here. Without the doors barred or slip. They get out like that. I mean, it's just, it can be really scary sometimes. Yeah. So that's really smart, especially for female solo travelers, because I'm sure the groups are like, yeah, will totally help you give you advice around that. I'm sure they're super helpful with that. Because sometimes that topic will come up in the traveling therapist group. And I don't know, it's like a hotspot for some women. Like, why do you think we can't be saved by ourselves? You know, and all this like, oh, no, I mean, I just think it's smart traveling to just check it out with somebody before you go, especially by yourself in a third world country or something where you just don't know what what, what could be happening in certain areas, you know? Yeah,


absolutely. Yeah. And like having street smarts is great. But it's also good. Just to know, you know, if you are a couple of blocks in a different neighborhood, it could be totally different there. So those kinds of things.


Great. Yeah, yeah. So what would you go like to the fishing places? Do you do the excursions by yourself? Do you just like book an excursion with somebody? Or do you bring your own, like, fly fishing equipment? And do it all by yourself? Or how do you? How do you manage that piece


of it? Yeah, a little bit of both. So I'll go just by myself sometimes. And then also, there's a big women's Colorado fly fishing group here. So organized trips all over western Colorado, so I'll link up with them often. And yeah, might extend my stay a couple of days to work in that area. So I don't have to drive the four hours back to Boulder, and you got to do it that way. That's


really smart. So finding a group beforehand that you know, is already going to be doing it and kind of like getting into that tour, whatever, whatever they're doing that week to go and participate in it. Yeah, it's really smart. Yeah. Because that's the other thing, like there, you know, as a couple traveling together, there's lots of things I like to do that he doesn't like to do, but I it kind of like hinders me a little bit. Like, in a weird place where I've never been before. It's like, okay, now I'm gonna go, Look, because I like to fish. And now I'm gonna go get on a boat in the middle of the Dominican Republic with some person, I have no idea who they are. You know, that's, that makes a little. So I tend to not do it. I tend to not do it as much as I'd like to. But it's cool to hear you talking about, like, figuring out ways to make it work ahead of time, maybe with a tour or something like that. Yeah, that's really cool.


Hiring a guide gun that did that in Cozumel, that was great, too, or you did? Oh, that's


a good idea. So yeah, I thought about that, too. Yeah. There's, there's just so many ways to do it. So I'm glad that you're bringing that up and talking about it. For sure. Yeah. Okay. So are there any other I'm trying to think if there's any other things that people should know or that you've learned along the way that would be helpful with with your practice or just traveling? Any other tips you could think of?


Think tech safety. Yeah. There's anything else? I think just yeah, there's still so many. There's so many people who are doing it who can recommend places, so I think always asking, asking around for good spots. So it's great.


That's perfect. Yeah. Have you had any situations where the Airbnb was like, yeah, the internet's great. And then you got there and it was just a nightmare, because


I was so sweet about it. In Cozumel, but I have the Solus Wi Fi. And I think I had seen it like on your group. And I was like, Yeah, buy this for backup, and it just saved me about that time. They ended up fixing the Wi Fi and but like, they threw my stay there. But yeah, it's it's the real thing. Yeah. It's so essential for our work to have that calls and everything. So I


wish I just, I like lose my mind when the internet's bad. I really do and my boyfriend he's like it's a big deal. Just reschedule them. Like, no, it is a big deal. Like, you know, it's it's a big deal, as you said the soul is has saved us quite a few times. And anybody listening to Solace is like this, like this little orange dot thing. And it's not it's like a hockey puck, I guess size and you turn it on and it connects to the closest cell tower. So as long as there's a cell tower around, you can connect to that and get service, if you're not able to get it through your own hotspot, or the place that you're staying. You're Airbnb through that Wi Fi. It's like a, like a third, third party backup, I guess, you know, I have tried in places where there was no cell service, so you're out of luck, then if that happens, but the generally their cell service, it's going to be a good backup for you. And it's one of those things you could just turn on when you need it. Like you don't have to pay a monthly membership fee or anything like that, to keep it going. Which I love that, you know, so you could just like you that when you need it.


Yeah, even going I think into Guatemala, my, I think my cell service would would work there. And it didn't and was able to just turn on the soloist and connect my cell phone to Wi Fi and be able to order an Uber. So I think even just in the transitions of number four, I got the Guatemala SIM card. That was just a really helpful resource to have. Which might have Yeah, been I've been in a tough situation if I didn't have it. Yes.


Oh, gosh, yeah. Oh, God, that worked for sure. How did you go about getting a SIM card? Because people asked about that all the time. And it seems like it's a different story in every country. So how do you figure that part out what you needed,


just went, I think online or in it's tiga, and claro, and Guatemala, so either at the airport, they sell them or once you just get into Antigua, there's a bunch of places that sell the SIM cards, and they'll switch it out for you and set it up. So it's just super easy and was able to also before traveling back to the US. So we switch it back? And yeah, it was pretty seamless than that.


That's great. Yeah. And it just gives you unlimited service in the country the whole time. You're there pretty much.


Yeah, you buy things, a certain amount of gigabytes, megabytes and yeah, able to have access to the Apps and Google Maps, which is definitely the most important one.


That's for sure. Yeah, we are the middle of like, God, I have no idea where I'm going or even how to get there. I always want to have my map up to follow along like YouTubers and stuff. Mm hmm.


Yeah. Another thing. It helps keep you safe. Like, okay, we're heading towards the right destination, so I can relax. Exactly.


Yeah, that's so good when you use the SIM cards, but it doesn't make it so you can't use your phone number though, right? If you're, if you're having to switch or you'd have to switch in and out to be able to use your phone number.


I think I have an older ish iPhone. But I think the new ones you can even get digital SIM cards I don't know too much about. I've heard of that too, with like the newer iOS and I see


that. Yeah, I can't think of the name of it. But yeah, I think the new the new iPhones, like you can't even like manually switch out a SIM card anymore. I think you have to do the sounds Yeah. I've seen those. But I haven't tried them yet. Yeah. Was a kind of a waiting for a guest to explain it. Somebody that's actually using it. But I guess it's something you just digitally activate with? Uh, I guess there's Iam codes that come with your usual cell SIM cards? Yeah, I haven't tried it, though. Yeah,


I bet you could switch back and forth with that. But yeah, probably.


Yeah. So I, I'm sure I'll have the opportunity soon to check that out, because we upgraded our phones, but we've just been to and you know, the ATT has like the international plan. We're just, you know, it's like $10 a day, basically. But they will charge you more than 100. So we just use the international plan. But we were in the Dominican Republic for like three months. And that worked. I mean, it's kind of expensive. It's like $100 a month, but they kind of saved us the trouble with that, you know, having to switch SIM cards and all that stuff. Yeah, but anyway, yeah. Well, gosh, there's so many ways to do this tips and tricks that it just sounds like you're making it at work. I really appreciate you sharing with everybody. So, so if somebody wanted to get in contact with you to learn about how you're making this work, especially around EMDR intensives, with the ketamine and all that, how would they reach out to you? Yeah, you


can go to my website, it's bloom into bing.com. And then my email is Maggie at bloom into bing.com.


It's perfect. Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks for taking the time to share with us. I'm sure a lot of people are gonna get inspired by how you're making this work with the co working and you know, following your hobbies to different places, and then coming back to a home base. I think it's really cool how you're kind of patching it all together like that. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Well, thanks so much.


Thank you. Really appreciate it.

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