112. The Future of Therapy: AI-Driven Private Practice Innovations with Maria Szandrach of Mentalyc

112. The Future of Therapy: AI-Driven Private Practice Innovations with Maria Szandrach of Mentalyc

In this episode of the Traveling Therapist podcast, we explore the transformative work of Maria Szandrach, a visionary entrepreneur and CEO of Mentalyc, who masterfully combines AI technology with mental health care. Maria's path from engaging in entrepreneurial activities as a child to orchestrating a worldwide, entirely remote team epitomizes the essence of innovation and the nomadic spirit in reshaping professional fields. 

Mentalyc, her pioneering venture, utilizes AI to simplify the therapy note-taking process, providing therapists with an advanced tool to improve their services. With a diverse team located across different continents, Mentalyc stands as a testament to the power of diversity and flexibility, illustrating that physical distances do not hinder meaningful collaboration.

Maria's story goes beyond just technological progress; it highlights the remarkable capacity of AI to customize and enhance mental health care. By catering to the specific requirements of therapists and their clients, Mentalyc aims to render therapy sessions more productive and concentrated. The firm's dedication to security, demonstrated through its adherence to HIPAA compliance, and its commitment to developing a product that adapts to the changing needs of its users, emphasize the critical role of trust and innovation in the realm of healthcare technology. Maria Szandrach's foresight for Mentalyc serves as an inspiration for both budding entrepreneurs and therapists, showing that through passion, inventiveness, and a readiness to venture into new domains, one can significantly influence the world.

Serial entrepreneur, social impact leader, and CEO of Mentalyc, Maria Szandrach is a force to be reckoned with in the mental health tech space. Driven by a personal experience with therapy and a mission to make mental healthcare more accessible and effective, Maria has spearheaded the development of groundbreaking AI-powered solutions that are revolutionizing the industry.

Mentalyc, Maria's current brainchild, is a testament to her unwavering commitment to innovation and positive impact. This AI-powered platform automates note-taking for therapists, streamlines administrative tasks, and personalizes treatment plans, all while building a unique dataset to enhance psychotherapy. With thousands of happy clients under it’s belt,

Mentalyc is rapidly transforming the way therapy is delivered and experienced.

Beyond her entrepreneurial pursuits, she actively engages in thought leadership, sharing her insights at conferences and mentoring young entrepreneurs, all while advocating for ethical and responsible technology development in mental health.

Maria Szandrach is not just a successful entrepreneur; she is a visionary leader who is shaping the future of mental healthcare with compassion, innovation, and a relentless pursuit of progress.

Mentalyc is offering 10% off to all Traveling Therapist Listeners enter code KYM10 when you click through. 

Key Points from the Conversation:

  • Maria Szandrach, CEO of Mentalyc, pioneers an AI tool for therapy note-taking, boosting session efficiency and paving the way for personalized treatment insights.
  • Mentalyc exemplifies global team synergy as a fully remote company, leveraging time zones and diverse backgrounds to create a dynamic, around-the-clock operation.
  • The integration of AI in mental health, as discussed, highlights its potential in predictive analysis and enhancing therapeutic strategies, emphasizing AI's role as a support system rather than a replacement for therapists.

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Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the traveling therapist podcast. I'm really excited today. We don't have a traveling therapist with us, but we have a traveling  Entrepreneur CEO co founder of her own company. Maria Zandrak. I think I said it right Shandrak.  I told her I was probably going to mess up her name, but I'm not even going to reveal what company or anything else.

I just would love for you to tell your story. I'm super excited to have you on here. Your journey really inspires me that you're. Female, you're a nomad. You had this vision, you created this amazing company, and I just want to talk about the whole process. So I'd love if you would introduce yourself and let everybody know who you are and what you do. 

I am very happy to be on this podcast. I was so excited to talk to another digital nomad. So I'm Maria, I'm at the CEO of Mentalyc. Mentalyc is a tool for therapists that takes notes using AI. And I was born in Poland, but I lived in a lot of different countries. I studied in the UK,  I lived in Germany, but in the US.

And in between those places, basically like for a month or so in a lot of other locations, currently I'm in Chile. The last couple of months I was in Mexico before that in San Francisco, that's where the company's the, where the headquarter is the company is fully remote. So all our colleagues are located across all continents. 

Some of them also move around. Some are more stationary.  But it's very interesting recently in a in a call of the marketing team and the sales team we discovered that part of the team lives in a place that is very snowy around Boston. The other part in nature  in snow. 

That's amazing. It's like, how do you even coordinate like time zones with so many people in so many different places? That's amazing. Yeah. It's like a never closing company. We try to organize teams around locations that have some overlap. So for example, the development team. It's spread across Europe and Africa while the product team is in South America to be closer to the therapist to be able to talk to them.

The sales is in the US content writers are in the US because they understand better the basically how therapists in the US operate, right? So they can write more relevant content. But. Yes it's interesting  really is gosh. It sounds like you have a really big team too. That's amazing.

Yeah.  20 people at this point and growing fast. Metallic is two and a half. Years old, yeah, it's a 2 and a half years old. Yeah. I want to talk all about it. How you thought to create this and, the process to go through because before we hit record, I was. Telling Maria, like a lot of this audience is entrepreneurial and already thinking outside of the box.

A lot of us living as nomads or partial traveling therapist. We already have that entrepreneurial spirit, I think, so it's just super interesting to me. And I know the audience too, to just to hear about your vision and how you brought it to life. I just think it's amazing. And then you're helping therapists on top of it make their lives easier.

So that's pretty cool.  And it's AI. Everybody knows I love AI. I'm like obsessed with AI. So this is just right up my alley.  I was always very interested in entrepreneurship. Like already as a child, I had some childhood businesses like breeding hamsters, trading all the violins. Yeah.  So when I was 18, I co founded my first kind of like a real proper business, right?

It was like insurtech startup. So a company selling online, mostly in Poland. And while doing this, I found out that even though I'm so passionate about entrepreneurship, it actually matters to me what problem I'm solving and insurance wasn't the most exciting thing for me. Yeah. Later, like I, I went to this like London business school.

I worked at McKinsey as a consultant and then I ended up in Berlin as the head of growth in in a different startup. And then around COVID, I did a bit more of this like soul searching as we're all isolated at homes. So I figured actually mental health is the topic that is very close to my heart because I went to therapy as a teenager for an eating disorder.

There, I had to switch therapists five times.  Oh my gosh. Practicing different modalities. I also went to two psychiatrists, so I went across pretty much all that is out there. And I recovered. So I don't have any symptoms since 10 years now, but this journey was very interesting, very stressful for the whole family. 

And I had to repeat my story from the beginning when I was switching those therapists. So I was a little bit frustrated that this case doesn't travel with me.  And every person has to map out my journey really from scratch. And also what often happens was that the therapist would forget maybe some nuances.

And I was like, I've already talked about a bit of this therapist or the other therapist. Oh, yes. It's who did I tell that to? I can't even remember. It's been so many now. Oh, that's the hardest part of therapy, especially if you're not connecting or it just doesn't feel like a good fit or it's not helping or something.

A lot of people just stay with a therapist or not even connected to for fear of having to do that go and. Have to retell your story or it's almost retraumatizing in a way to have to just tell all the details, relive it a little bit with a therapist, a new therapist. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. So interesting. And all those so first I went to a CBT therapist that was not actually specialized knitting disorders in any way, right? So she didn't have much experience with this and that was not going anywhere. And actually from the client perspective, it's very difficult to assess what's going on, right?

Because we have to trust and follow the process. So it was definitely confusing, not just for me, but for the family, especially my parents were very worried. Yeah, but so this whole time was really stressful in that way. And then when I was wondering what were the problems that they encountered in my life that are not really solved and we're actually a very important, that's how I ended up in the mental health space.

So there was a bunch of different things I tried. I worked on a different product at some point. That was like an app, like a psychoeducation, some little like interventions for the clients.  Then I met my current co founder at some point and he has this machine learning. So basically like AI background, and all our ideation started going into this direction of like, how can we use AI and to have the process. So we're looking at, is there something we can automate on the client side? On the therapist side, we talked to hundreds of therapists, they all complained on notes.  Exactly. It's our biggest pain point. 

I think it's probably that and taking insurance are the two biggest ones, I think.  The no shows are a big one. Yeah, that's true. That's true.  But that's how it started and how I ended up building Mentalyc. So It was an intersection of having this like super power of my co founder, which is understanding AI and being able to build with it.

And actually discussions with therapists and my personal like passion and drive for the topic. Uh, the big idea behind Metallic is to first help therapists writing notes, but then also be able to leverage this data to actually find out what is working best for whom. So to we want to invert the Evidence based practice and towards like practice based evidence to actually understand what works right and help therapists like provide more of this type of interventions  to the whole process more like streamline for both therapists and the clients. 

That's amazing. So within the program, you have, would you call it an algorithm or something that helps. Calculate that based on the data that the clinician is inputting from seeing client, like maybe the same client over time, and then it's able to analyze and  are you saying give recommendations or develop treatment goals based on progress, that sort of thing?

Is that how it works? Yeah. So currently it writes notes like all types of notes  across, like from intake to discharge, right? So treatment plans are a part of it. So exactly, we can analyze every session individually to write the node, but we can also analyze like the underlying patterns.

So some things that we're working on are, for example, supervision and to have some like extra feedback for supervisee to improve and for supervisor to be able to quicker. Interact with the transcript or what was happening in the session  and the executive treatment plans can be suggested based on the intake notes,  right?

And we can create also some summaries for, let's say, referral basically the whole case being analyzed  or just suggestions and how to, what to try in the next session. So there's definitely like a lot that, that can be done. And some of those things we already do. Some of those we're working on internally.

So we write all the notes, but all this analytics, extra analytics are still being built out.  That's so cool. I think that's the neatest thing about AI really is that predictive analysis where it can, even predict real potential relapses or, last time you didn't get enough sleep.

You weren't eating as well, blah, blah, blah. It looks like. This is a risky territory. Maybe we need to reanalyze and make sure you're doing the right routine to keep your depression in check, that kind of thing. It just amazes me the things that we can do, with AI and it sounds really.

It's awesome that you guys are in development already trying to do this predictive analysis piece and make it like, super helpful and useful for therapists, things we might not even think of as therapists, in session the, I might come up with and say. Try this treatment plan this objective.

It looks like that would be helpful for what's going on with this client and just to get ideas like that is so valuable for a clinician. Yeah.  Yeah, we definitely believe that there needs to be some sort of like a hybrid right between actually the therapist and AI. So I cannot replace the therapist, but, therapist doesn't have this much like computing power as the AI can have, right? No one has not just therapists, like no human has  computing powers as the model. So if we can use it to show some patterns, it could unlock the those like blind spots in the therapist perception.

So together they, they can achieve the best results.  Yeah, and I was gonna just tell the audience I've actually they have a free trial and I've actually logged in and played with it some and it's  Pretty awesome. Yeah, I haven't played with every single part of it, but I just really am enjoying using metallic.

And I love that it's HIPAA compliant to me. That's like the big thing that, most of us need to be careful about and really be looking out for, especially if we're going to be recording sessions and that sort of thing. Can you talk a little bit about that? Like how you got the HIPAA compliant piece in place and just to.

Maybe ease any listeners minds because that's a big thing right now that I'm seeing coming up a lot with the stuff is I don't want to put any information into a computer or somewhere where a robot somewhere is. Recording this information, and they could use it against us later or share my clients information.

Could you maybe share a little bit about that process?  And security isn't always has been very important to us. So before we released any version of the product to therapists, it was already like HIPAA compliant. So it really took us like over a month of like really just building security.

So not any features. training AI, just really building the layers of security. So mental is very safe to use it as HIPAA compliant. And we also had extensive discussions with like lawyers that specialize in the clinical domain with ethics committees, especially in California. And also a lot of like experts that coach on note taking and so on.

So we really.  Invested a lot of time in this and we also don't share our data with any like third parties. So all this training that we were discussing is only to improve our tool to make notes more accurate to like, give better suggestions. So we don't like, sell this data anywhere or like all the plans, including the free trial are fully compliant and data is always very safe. 

I love it. Yeah, I look forward to playing with it some more to see all the features and especially the new updates that you guys come out with. Yeah,  really very cool. Very exciting. And the world of AI is changing so fast. All of this  metallic is going to be. I feel like it's got just so much room to grow and expand and help in so many ways.

It's really exciting that you're on top of it and you're researching and. Going to be making improvements over and over again to just make it like the perfect product for therapists. So it's really cool.  We definitely will be developing more and more like with AI, right? So we sometimes get requests for, let's say scheduling feature or payments. 

Those we actually refuse, unfortunately for some, and because there are a lot of tools out there that can do this and we are really like the whole team is built around just researching, right? So like psychologists, machine learning, data scientists,  like software developers to.  To basically understand how we can use this AI to its like maximum potential to, to help with the clinical basically problems or affairs.

And what is also like an interesting challenge is that there is not that much research out there because it's so new. So it's not like we can take a paper and just copy the approach, right? Like we really have to, it's not just a company, it's like a research lab.  Yeah. It's super innovative.

It's like on the cutting edge. So yeah, we just don't even know. With a lot of this stuff and, I'm curious about our licensing boards and when they're going to start coming out with, guidelines for how we can and cannot use AI. I'm super curious about that. I haven't seen anything yet, but, I'm sure that's coming.

We're helping with those processes. At least like when it comes to discussions with the ethics committees, for example because they reach out to us as how things work, so they can update their policies. So I definitely believe it's very important to, to like for this process to unfold in the right way, because as you say, there are a lot of tools out there that are not exactly HIPAA compliant, or they say they are not, if you look into the detail. 

So it's very important to read the like the terms of use or terms of service. They are called sometimes, right? Like really read all the details and understand if it is actually compliant, because sometimes you can find on the website or like on some social media banner that HIPAA compliant, right? 

But then if you look closely, it says that you cannot put any PHI into this tool, right? Which already is, okay, is it actually HIPAA compliant? Why would this be? You should be able to with no, no concern at all. Exactly. And then you find out there is no B anywhere. And so there's definitely a lot of kind of confusion as this market is very new and a lot of new companies are popping up.

Yeah.  So I would basically advise therapists to be careful not disqualify at all but really read the details, check if there is a BAA if there is any warning that you cannot put PHI.  Yeah. No,  that's really helpful. Yeah. I, yeah, you just, Think if it says HIPAA compliant that it is, but it may not be right.

That's such a good clue. They say no PHI. Yeah,  that's I would do say with those licensing boards and analytics committee, right there. They actually need to catch up and have this guidelines or maybe like somehow certify those companies or so. And but currently, this is not in place. So that's why this extra caution is definitely.

Needed and we are like doing our best to help them to notice that settings and be able to get better.  That's amazing. Yeah.  So mentalic is available in the United States in Canada, right? Is that what you told me? Those are the 2 markets. Are there other? Countries as well.  We also have some Australian therapists.

Oh, Australian. Okay. But the US is definitely like the main markets and as Canadians and Australians are always like knocking to the door and saying, can I also use it? Then  our policies reviewed their regulations and they cannot.  Yeah. I was just wondering about the process of that too. Is it, I'm assuming there's a HIPAA  like similarity and these other countries, Canada and Australia.

Yes, it may be different guidelines. There is PIPA in Canada and a couple of articles, so we have reviewed those and they are not very different. That's why we we search markets as well, because it was not that much effort to adjust. For example, Europe is much, much more annoying. Yeah. There are different languages, right?

Different regulations, a lot of countries. At some point we will get there, but it's. It's too much distraction from actually improving the quality of the notes just in English and like American standards, right? Because what is also important is that like America is a little bit, like the U.

S. is a little bit specific when it comes to insurance requirements. So this gives the notes a little bit of a different flavor. And we even can see it with Australia that sometimes they, they would say that they don't need this medical necessity to be so like blown out of  proportion in the news. 

That's funny. I bet everybody listening to this is oh my gosh, I wish we were in Australia.  That medical necessity is such a pain sometimes to have to just make sure you're meeting medical necessity for the insurance companies. Yeah.  So that's also one big part of what we try to help with to make notes like written and formatted in a certain way that insurance does it come after the clinician  trying to help.

That's really important to hear and I think people would love to know that too. You know that like we're protecting you, we're keeping medical necessity in mind and the AI is already programmed to do that. So it's trying to Keep you on track without as well, not just we're writing a good note for you.

We're also like, taking into account that you might be an insurance based provider. And you really need these buzzwords or these evidence based, very specific things that you're doing that are measurable in your work with your clients. Yeah, that definitely is built to, to serve therapists and help them and empower them.

Anything we do is just to to exactly protect them from insurance, be able to see more right to have more free time.  Not have to relieve the sessions in at the end of the day in the evening or try to write them like three months later but to be always like in control and on top of The game because at the end I'm definitely very grateful to the therapist who helped me.

And I just wish that they had better tools. And I also know this other industries where I worked that there are tools and other professionals use them. The way I was used in other like professions since a while. So yeah, make sure that no one is overlooking therapists.  Yes. Really?

Because I was at like two years ago, I think I went to a doctor and they were, recording the session in there, just talking in a microphone and it was just like going into the sky, but there was no like informed consent. They didn't even talk about that. But I remember seeing that and thinking that's, is this okay?

I don't know how I feel about it. And that's pretty awesome because it's dictating their notes right now. While they're just like, in the moment, instead of having to go back, because I think that's the hardest thing for therapists too, is after the session, it's already emotional and takes a toll on the therapist as well.

And then you have to go back and relive the session and you have to write the note and you have to remember all the details. To have it just there for you already is, like you said, I hate to say the word game changer, but it just. Takes a lot of the trouble out of writing the note, it just makes it so much easier and it's just amazing.

I just love AI. So exciting  for a while longer because they like historically had like human scribes right that would either follow them in the hospital. And, or then they, there was this whole wave of tools where they would exactly record, or even recently I've heard that they would like dial into some number.

and dictate and just like code. And then someone would sit somewhere in India or so and write it down. So this like this process was like evolving, like step after step. And psychotherapy was not a part of it because first of all, it's a bit like kind of creepy to have someone sit in the therapy room  and watch and take notes, so it's a, I never got adopted. It doesn't fit. Let me see of the setting. And also it's way more complex for AI to write notes for psychotherapists because it's more abstract, right? We can also write,  we don't only write notes for like individual adult therapy, but also for kids. So play therapy, right?

at their trauma informed like family therapy. So they're Sometimes a lot of different people in the room or the conversation is about like finding your favorite Pokemon if it's play therapy, right? So for the AI to make sense out of this and write like a clinical note for insurance it's not not a trivial task. 

So all those tools that they were writing notes for physicians would not be really able to handle it well because they are looking for keywords, right? So like the name of the medication or.  The dosage of it and the, I don't know, you have a pain in the throat or in the elbow, it's like way simpler to.

Yeah, it's like easy to describe like, Oh, broken arm.  Like complex childhood trauma, yeah, that's right. That combined  with like from the financial and like business opportunity perspective and therapy market is smaller than physician market in the U. S. right? And therapists charge like less per kind of minutes of their time than most of physicians.

So from like the investor perspective and just business opportunity, building like medical scribes is. It's just more promising, right? Because bigger market, they can pay more. It's easier to build. So definitely the therapists were a little bit like left, I would say,  to themselves.

But I see they're smart and capable and build their own chat GPTs too. 

Exactly.  Anything to get by, but it's so much safer to do it this way through, a HIPAA compliant program. It really is. It's just, it takes the worry out of it completely, which I think is amazing. And to have somebody really innovative that actually cares about the therapist experience and empowering them and giving them more time.

That's my whole thing with AI. It's we get burned out really fast because of all the other stuff, the administrative stuff. And a lot of us run small businesses, which are private practices, and it's just, it can get exhausting, so any shortcuts to make that easier is amazing for therapists.

We just don't need our. Our mental health team out there burned out, so anything that can help make the process easier is amazing to me, especially with the use of AI. Yeah, more and more people need therapists, right? That was also even a problem. It's 1010 years ago, plus for me that I would have to wait like really for weeks or even months to get my spot in the therapy office.

So yeah, And it's very clear that there is not enough therapists out there and their skills are very needed and very scarce. So why would we have them like be scribes? Why put that added burden on to a therapist? Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's so true. It takes a lot of time to write the note, and it's also a very different skill at the end of the day, right?

Someone can heal, doesn't necessarily mean that they can be able to formulate it that well. And even though it's expected, and it's great if someone can, but it's, it is definitely enough to be able to review the note and check if it's clinically true.  And rather than like trying to make a perfect sentence in English. 

Exactly. Yeah. I could think of a million times just sitting there gosh, how do I say this?  How do I say this without saying too much or not enough for medical necessity? It is a real struggle and it's emotional. It takes a lot of like emotional stress to always be worried about that, yeah.

I love hearing about this company. Like I said, I'm using the free trial. I think it's fantastic so far. I just want to shift for a second because we touched on the beginning, but for the traveling therapist, the really awesome thing about you besides developing this amazing company is that you are a digital nomad also, right?

You just live wherever you want to live. So can we just talk about that for a second? Like how long have you been doing that and  how do you manage like running this amazing company from all these other places? It sounds like you move like I do Airbnbs and you just go to the next place when you're ready, that sort of thing.

Yeah, could you just tell us a little about that? Yeah, of course. Mentalyc as such actually is very it's like a test. How do I put it? Recently we were discussing the diversity and inclusion in teams and this being important and we just discussed that Mentalyc is basically built so diverse from the beginning so all over the place and having all the genders and races and religions and cultures in it that it just makes it easier to also for me to have such a lifestyle, right?

Yeah. And I'm, as I mentioned, born in Poland, my co founder is originally Bulgarian, but we met in Germany in an accelerator  and then when we were talking to therapists in, in both Europe and the US, we found out that Europe is more complicated because of all these different languages and regulations.

So it makes sense to start doing this in the US. So we incorporated a company over there. And then we actually went to an accelerator in UC Berkeley. So that already started this whole dynamic of moving back and forth, right? So then we started actually hiring internationally. And  at some point when I was in the States, I was thinking like, actually.

And people are so used to talking online rather than meeting in person. And also there's so much space in this country. So it's even hard to meet people sometimes. So, then I started thinking like, Oh, how about I actually just stay in the same time zone, but go to a warmer country. 

Yeah.  So exactly. Yeah. You're like us, we chase the, we chase 70 degree weather.  We try to just like, wherever that is, that's where we try to go. Yeah.  So in Intellic, it's actually really easy to, to do it that way. We're now discussing actually having some sort of like a company reunion in somewhere in Africa.

Oh my gosh, because we have a bunch of employees over there and we would actually want to maybe have those reunions like every year in a different location. But as we have, there are a bunch of people and it's apparently harder to get out of Africa than to go there. So  it seems like that would be the location we would pick.

But that's that. And also, before Mandelic was incorporated, I worked in all sorts of businesses, also around the place in different countries. And right after my studies, I worked at the strategy management consulting firm, right? There the way of working is to basically every three, four months, you'll work for a different client, usually in a different country.

So I was working there for a year and a half and I very quickly, basically like unsubscribed to renting a flat because it just didn't make sense to have one. So I was like full on living in hotels around this like client locations. That was, the maybe this like first experience that made me realize that it's actually not hard, right?

I can just move around with one leg. Yeah,  exactly. 

Enjoyable. Like by now I do it already since a while it's hard to say for how long exactly right because it's like a bit on and off. This thing.  job I had in 2018, 19, that way, and I was doing it like full on. And then I worked for a year in a startup in Berlin that actually had an office in San Diego.

So I was like mostly going between those two places and sometimes on like longer holidays. And after that, I was already in. In my own startup. So I had again, full flexibility. So I was working on Zanzibar for a while in Thailand. And, oh my gosh, that's so cool.  You've been everywhere.  That's amazing.

You need a lot of learnings also to, to optimize like how long you want to stay in one place, right? Or what is important, like the, I guess the fresh water, as little food poisoning as possible. Yeah,  that's always a goal.  Yeah, there are some traps in this in this journey, but  you do it like there were some moments when I was also like giving up a bit on this, and then I have enough, like I had a food poisoning now for two weeks. I couldn't get anything done. Oh yeah. But there is always a way to, to iterate and improve, right? So now I just check more thoroughly where I stay. I have more criteria  that are really important  to  stick to. And.

Yeah, exactly. As if with everything, if you put in enough time and iteration, it's, it starts working out. That's right. Yeah. It's like a  trial and error. Yeah. We've learned so much. We have a long list now of what has to be in an Airbnb. We even want to consider booking it, just from all the lessons we've learned, this didn't work out.

This didn't work out. So yeah, I hear you. It's, it really is a work in progress, like trying to perfect it. And there are. Downtimes like food poisoning for two weeks. That's terrible, and I think that would make anybody question like, Oh my God, is this the lifestyle for me? But it's, it's for me, it's like addictive in a way.

Like I can't wait to go to the next place and check it out, I don't know. I don't know what it will take to stop me, but I love it right now.  Yeah, and it's really like I didn't have no food poisoning since a while, like none in Chile, none in Mexico. And so the last I had was in Zanzibar. But yeah, that was already like two, three years ago.

So  So it is definitely like possible to eliminate those, but it's really different than actually living in a well developed country. So  you need to make a couple of mistakes, drink a tap water once, I don't know, and then eat something from like a street food vendor. And then you basically learn. 

Yeah. It's okay, we'll see that again.  Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I feel like I could talk to you for hours just about your adventures and everywhere you've been. It's just so interesting. Yeah. All the places. Wow. It's amazing. And to be working in each of those places, maybe for a company or even for your own company.

And then, being able to decide, oh, we're just going to have our company party in Africa. That sounds cool. Let's do that.  Seems like that'd be a good central place for all the employees to come. That's really neat.  It feels actually it's hard for me to believe that most of our employees I've never actually met in person, right?

Because we have so many interactions, we share photos, we share some moments someone gets married or so, right? Different cultures, so different outfits, different celebrations.  And it really feels we know each other well, so I'm definitely looking forward to actually seeing them in person in one of the continents. 

Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. That's going to be so cool.  I know. I feel that way too. I definitely have just like internet friends, internet, my three of my VAs live in the Philippines, and I feel like I know them really well. It'd be so fun to hang out with them one time, you know, Definitely changing the way the companies work because around COVID, when I was working in this other startup it was initially very like strange kind of for us to adapt because we're used to actually meeting in offices.

It was definitely strange and now it just feels like that's how figs are. Yeah, I know. It's not funny. It's just seems like it's always been this way.  Yeah, I would say that was a Actually, there's like option to go somewhere, right? To go and actually meet people. There's definitely like some value to it. 

And what can you do? You can't have it all. So there are always some compromises. That's right. Absolutely. And it sounds like you're living your best life and I'm just. Thank you for sharing that part of your journey too. I think it's so cool. And it fits right in with this podcast.

People are going to be really inspired by you that you can make it work. You can have a vision and something you're passionate about, and then turn it into this amazing company, and put it out there to the world and help other people, but still live this, dream of wanting to travel and see different places.

It's just super inspirational. Yeah. So I really appreciate you sharing with us.  And so where do people find mentality? How do you get to mentality? How do you, what, can you explain that just the website and everything like that? How to spell it in case people can't tell us what we're talking about. 

The website is just like Mentalyc. com and Mentalyc is spelled as like mental, right? YC, basically. Nice. I like it. Yeah. Mentalyc's. And I think you guys are giving us a 10 percent off coupon for the listeners, which is super cool. So they can get the free trial, but then they can put the coupon code into later if they want to sign up.

Yes, of course. We're also very open to, like, all sorts of interactions and discussions, so if anyone feels like they have an idea how to improve our product or they don't like something about it, we are always very happy to talk. So don't be shy. Reach out. I love that. That's amazing. Yeah, you guys reach out if you have suggestions.

Because I feel like this is definitely a product that can, it, like we said, is going to continue to evolve and offer more and more features. So it's going to be super helpful, especially with the predictive analysis and the treatment plans and the progress routes and how they all tie in together. So I'm just looking forward to seeing everything you guys do in the future. 

Same for us.  Thank you. Thanks so much for taking the time today.  Likewise. It was great.

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